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What's so bad about the present "stagnation period?"
It's bad because it stagnates

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Do people kill each other?
Yes

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Is there hunger?
1/3 of population lives below the 'poverty level'

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A civil war? Does Putin convey mass murders once in a blue moon?
You might not believe it, but civil war IS possible here.

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Why do you need the refreshment?People got tired of the turbulent 90s and so they loved the stagnation of the 00s. Now, you want to change things again? To what? To the "stagnation period" of the late Soviet Union?
I didn't say anything about myself. I talkes about UR members in Duma. There's a difference. And 90s ended 11 years ago. Some things are already forgotten.
You didn't read my post - I want political struggle be confined in Duma that's all. The alternative is to arrange it on the streets.
Communists say they represent 'ordinary people' - let them defend their followers by proposing better laws and give them some seats in the government and we'll see.

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Here's the thing about the elites: they have enough fight of groups inside each other. Something fundamental had to change in order for a new elite to change the previous elite. Usually, it's the major shift of the economic force. It's like, ok - so the cast of the aristocrats (=the professional warriors) could influence the economy less and the "nouveau riches" more, so - voila! - the bourgeois revolution happens. (Of course, it's really about the freedom, blah-blah-blah.) That is an example of taking power by force. But, otherwise, I would respectfully disagree with that "law of politics" and I would require more examples from you to get myself convinced.
You keep comparing the moden world with medieval terms. The world is more complex now. It's even more complex than it was 30 years ago. And as recent examples show - you can destabilize a perfectly stable society in a matter of few weeks if you really want to. There are many people here that I meet and talk to who cannot propose anything practical but agree upon one thing - Putin & co. must leave. While Putin himself is still a rather charismatic figure that '&co.' part makes difference even in the eyes of the most orthodox Putinists. You keep forgetting that these changes can be inspired not from within but from outside (the worst scenario). And the only peaceful alternative to that - to arrange a dialogue with the opposition now, before it's too late. World's economy is very shaky at the moment and if that 'stability of the 2000s' SUDDENLY ends there will be an explosion. Now we are simply hoping that oil price would not go below $70/barrel. What if they would? Putin's success (those roads, trade centers, and other benefits) came to us during a period when oil prices kept going up and up. In 2008 we suddenly realized that our well-being rests on oil and gas. You asked if there is hunger? It will be if nothing is changed. That stability can end very quickly and all those 'managers who bought cars' will suddenly realize that they have nothing to pay to the bank.

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I'm pretty sure that would have nothing to do with the LAWMAKING!! I think, they want to get a bigger slice of the pie, that's all. They would not change anything to the pie itself (as it's risky and requires investments) and so more seats in Duma would not make the economy better.
But leaving things as they are wouldn't make the economy better either. If conflicting lobbies clash in duma they will have to discuss things. Duma would not automatically approve anything the government brings before them. You are not trying to convince me that one party without any opposition is better than several parties, are you?
Unfortunately, the ministry of justice would not register other parties and we have to 'work' with what we have. And these strong efforts that UR makes to strangle any opposition, their continued evasion from a dialogue is one of the reasons they have to leave. They will ruin the country sooner than commies.