Thread: Sanctions on Russia: Facts and end-resultsd

To split Ukraine was a plan of all the three - Brussels, Moscow and Washington (some ppl say there's an agreement and all this madness is just perfectly staged). The question was who's going to pay for that. The main ukraine's sponsor Russia seems to quit. EU doesn't have money. The US just doesn't want to pay. We only have to wait what's gonna happen.
The best solution for the US and EU is Russian invasion.... but Putin doesn't seem to follow that.

The keyword here is - gas

If Ukraine splits and nobody invests the western part (east part well keep being funded bu Russia like all last 20 years) it's gonna be the worst times in whole Ukrainian history.

and upgrade the industry.

here it means to DEMOLISH the industry

Several completely normal people told me that Ceaucescu and socialism was better than how they have it today (as EU citizens). To me, all this was totally unexpected. I thought things were getting better there, and they loved the EU. But the reality was the opposite.
I was touched, and felt really badly for them. Partly guilty, because I used to be tremendously in favour of EU expansion eastwards, when I was at university in the 1990s. I was even in an organisation that worked for it. But look how it worked out.

Only those countries got better that had been granted permission to have it's own industry. Ask anybody in e.g. Slovakia is it better in EU or was it better back in 80s? They would tell you the same (but not on camera)

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

To split Ukraine was a plan of all the three - Brussels, Moscow and Washington (some ppl say there's an agreement and all this madness is just perfectly staged).

I think that is too extreme a conspiracy....
I know Russia is Conspiracy Central No 1 so all I'll say is, no, hardly likely. It's too far fetched.

And the US can't be trusted, surely Russia knows that by now, and wouldn't make a secret deal with the US, since it normally doesn't keep its end of the bargain. Remember what happened with the NATO expansion promise, and Yalta which was a legit agreement, then suddenly the West backed and started laying claim to areas outside its' agreed area. I don't think Russia would bother making a deal about it, and I think this was relatively unexpected for Russia too.

It might be that there was a scenario prepared and a script to follow for Crimea. Frankly it worked a little "too" well.... but that Russia had not anticipated quite the turn of events that expired in the Donbass. So for Donbass Russia had to improvise. Hence the long silence while Russia was figuring out how to handle it.

I personally think the US thought it could pull this off (get all of Ukraine into their camp) but miscalculated due to poor intelligence, wishful thinking or whatever. Whereupon Russia immediately launched "Get Crimea, scenario No x" and was both skilled and lucky in that it went as well as it did. Which obviously infuriated Washington who had expected to have free reign after it got rid of Yanukovich.

Listening to Victoria Nuland it's obvious that she is cynical and a real player to the core of her being. I hope this whole debacle costs her her career. What an unpleasant and snakey person.

This whole colour / flower revolution thing, is an absolute staple for the US. It tried it tons of times. I read a very entertaining story about a "Jasmine" revolution that was attempted in China. It failed and the US ambassador got kicked out of the country.
When I personally was in Belarus, they tried for the 3rd time, I think, a little orchid (?) revolution but there were not a lot of takers. But the European press was tipped off beforehand and the propaganda angle was insane - filming a crowd of 50 as if it was 5000, and passing off a mobile phone promotion event as a protest meeting. I think they try this every now and then, as soon as there is something that might spur people on, like a this EU decision in Ukraine, or the currency devaluation in Belarus.

My impression is that most of what happened in Donbass was relatively spontaneous, and Russia chose to mildly encourage it, until suddenly it appeared to make a u-turn and pretend it was not involved.
Keeping everybody guessing what will happen next.

Stay tuned for episode 3 of "Madness, Murder and Mayhem in Ukraine", the action continues after this short break!