Thread: "Russophobia" and "Russophilia" :)

rather interesting article
Indications that the U.S. Is Planning a Nuclear Attack Against Russia

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Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

rather interesting article
Indications that the U.S. Is Planning a Nuclear Attack Against Russia

Nah..... Those facts he mention must be a co-incidence. Well argued and presented, but too far fetched.
But I'll tell you what - if they ban or somehow get RT off the air in the USA, then I'll believe they are up to something big. RT is driving Washington nuts and it's telling truths to Americans every day, that they are not supposed to know. So if they planned something, they would have to get RT off the air, just for starters. As well as restricting the internet, but I think there is a plan for that.

While I wouldn't put it beyond the USA to cook up a reason as to why Russia must be attacked with nukes (the usual drawl about terrorism, human rights, democracy or something), they would need a propaganda campaign of at least a few years to convince even half their population that there was any merit to it. They want to keep up the illusion of being a democracy that fights for things like human rights. Attacking Russia which simply can't be accused of the normal "atrocities" or "terrorism" would be hard to justify.

Or am I giving them more credit than they deserve here? Maybe the Putin-is-Hitler rhetoric is about exactly that. Seems too mad to be true though.

Another reason: I personally think there is a certain amount of racism (or simply valuing white/Caucasian Christian lives more than moslem, Asian or African) in all these US invasions and wars. Russians are mostly white, Christian and certainly educated. Americans don't want to fight white, educated Christians. Europeans may not love Putin, and some may have a historical grief with Russia. But nobody wants to see Moscow nuked (other than maybe Carl Bildt and William Hague). I am sure of that.

It was the same thing in the Cold War. They never dared to take on any actual Soviets directly, it was always a war through proxy; Vietnam, Korea, Laos and various other places in South America, Asia and Africa. Between the US and the USSR it was almost a gentleman's quarrel between spies and politicians. The people who died, were people in developing or less fortunate countries.

Back in the Cold War days, hardly no Americans had been to the USSR. Almost any propaganda/lies could be told and nobody would would be the wiser. To this day, most Americans believe the average day in the USSR was like living in a prison colony. (I have no idea what Russians believed about the USA, or if it was as badly misrepresented).

Today, there must be hundreds of thousands of Americans who have visited Russia. And there are hundreds of thousands of people living in the US, who were born in Russia. They couldn't pull off a Cold War style propaganda campaign today, because too many people would be able to expose it. And if they went to war against public opinion, they would expose themselves as true fascists to their own population.
Plus, as any cold war child knows: If one of these countries attack the other, they will doom themselves at the same time, and take most of Europe with them.

No way the Americans will risk that. They can't use nukes against a country that has nukes itself and can retailiate against them or their allies. That's the only line they won't cross, and that's probably why it's driving them nuts when countries they don't like get nukes.

Obama clearly means business here, and so the government that we have installed in Kiev is bombing throughout southeastern Ukraine, in order to convince the residents there that resistance will be futile. Part of the short-term goal here is to get Russia to absorb the losses of all of Ukraine's unpaid debts to Russia, so that far less of Ukraine's unpaid debts to the IMF, U.S. and E.U., will remain unpaid. It's basically an international bankruptcy proceeding, but without an international bankruptcy court, using instead military means. It's like creditors going to a bankrupt for repayment, and the one with the most gunmen gets paid, while the others do not. This is the reason why the IMF ordered the leaders in Kiev to put down the rebellion in Ukraine's southeast.

Touché. The only thing that is incomprehensible about this, is why Ukrainians, whether they like Russia/Putin or not, let themselves be used to run the errands of IMF, Washington and Brussels at their own expense.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Another reason: I personally think there is a certain amount of racism (or simply valuing white/Caucasian Christian lives more than moslem, Asian or African) in all these US invasions and wars. Russians are mostly white, Christian and certainly educated. Americans don't want to fight white, educated Christians. Europeans may not love Putin, and some may have a historical grief with Russia. But nobody wants to see Moscow nuked (other than maybe Carl Bildt and William Hague). I am sure of that.

THat's true. Russia seems to be only indo-european nation (alon with those ethnic groups withing russian borders and some beyond) that is getting out of that dollar system again.