Thread: "Russophobia" and "Russophilia" :)

I just read 3 sentences that are a perfect example of Russophobic indoctrination. All 3 used the system of disinformation described in Sun Tzu's book, The Art Of War. But I've noticed it's not the only technique people use to spread prejudice.
Other methods include exaggeration and context. One of our neighbors shot 4 unarmed people and they didn't do anything to him. He just shot them! He's a nutjob and people should stay away from him or call the police!
Scary? What I didn't say was he shot them with paintball guns at a party. That's how to use "context" to spread disinformation without even lying. I've noticed that journalists use it a lot in the news when they write articles about Syria and Ukraine.
That can also be used in reverse to make Hell look like Heaven. But what's important to always remember is that nobody really knows what's in the closet till they open the door.

The only cure for disinformation is exploration. Do I know that Russians are cool? Yeah, because I've met them in real-life and online. Do I know that some Russians can be criminals? Yeah, because I've seen stories about Russians being arrested in Russia.
Do I know what Omsk is like? No, because I've never been there... yet. But I'm sure it's like any big city with good points and bad points.
If Obama or Putin told me to wax their car would I do it? No.

About the politics: I read the history. Crimea and Novo-Rossiya were part of Russia before 1917. When the USSR broke up, they shoulda still been part of Russia. It's obvious that both were a Ukrainian land-grab.
It's so simple. If someone loaned me a socker ball and knee pads, I would return them when the game was over. Ukraine didn't return those 2 regions when the USSR game was over. That's stealing.

About our president, just this:

On June 4, Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko met with US President Barack Obama to discuss the ongoing crisis in the eastern European country. Obama announced he would be sending Kiev an additional USD 5 million in military equipment.

Since the Obama administration keeps supporting the Ukrainian army, even after those people were burned alive in Odessa (I noticed he didn't say anything about the 5 year old girl that was killed in the Church in Lugansk), then the only conclusion I have is that the Obama administration doesn't have a soul. There's a huge difference between soldiers killing soldiers and soldiers shelling civilians.

Originally Posted by UhOhXplode

It's so simple. If someone loaned me a socker ball and knee pads, I would return them when the game was over. Ukraine didn't return those 2 regions when the USSR game was over. That's stealing.

very poor analogy; the Crimea and NovoRossiya were not loaned to the Ukraine; there were gifted/donated to them by decision of Russia's ruling powers. And since when does 'not returning a gift' qualify as stealing?

Originally Posted by eisenherz

very poor analogy; the Crimea and NovoRossiya were not loaned to the Ukraine; there were gifted/donated to them by decision of Russia's ruling powers. And since when does 'not returning a gift' qualify as stealing?

И снова пальцем в небо! До 1917 года Украины вообще не существовало как суверенного государства, а в 1922 году новоиспеченная Украина с неустоявшимися границами была принята в состав СССР. После чего границы еще много раз перекраивались в основном по экономическим соображениям, а вовсе не этническим. Никто в советские годы всерьез не рассматривал возможность выхода Украины из состава СССР, поэтому передача Крыма ничего не значила - чисто популистское решение недальновидного политикана.
Теперь по поводу подарков. Если мне добрый человек дарит подарок, и если я порядочный человек, а не порядочная скотина, то я буду благодарен ему.
В 1990 году СССР по сути подарил Восточную Германию Западной. Вместо благодарности мы увидели расширение НАТО на восток, поддержку русофобов в Грузии и на Украине, поддержку фашиствующих элементов в странах Балтии, раздувание вооруженного конфликта в бывшей Югославии и все в этом же духе.
Если это не проявление русофобии, то что?

Originally Posted by SergeMak

В 1990 году СССР по сути подарил Восточную Германию Западной. В

giving something back that did not belong to them in the first place is a completely different story...

But SergeMak, i respect that you have a different view; in your response you raise many different points and topics; which to engage with would best be served in another thread