Thread: USA quietly reintroduces Star Wars

English:

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worl.../20/2003332585

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10..._space_policy/


http://www.space.com/news/061007_bush_spacepolicy.html


Russian:

http://www.point.ru/story/forecasts/1383/

I took this as great news when I read it this morning.

I actually remember when President Ronald Reagan brought this up in the 80s. It was a bit of a far fetched idea, ok it was really far fetched, but we really wanted to see this happen.

I am glad that Bush has decided to get this going again.

Some of these US hating countries have been testing longer and longer type missles, Iran and North Korea included. I believe China tested some several years ago but I dont remember correctly. I know recently North Korea has been testing them.

Sometimes the best offense is a good defense.

Originally Posted by Тоби

I took this as great news when I read it this morning.

I actually remember when President Ronald Reagan brought this up in the 80s. It was a bit of a far fetched idea, ok it was really far fetched, but we really wanted to see this happen.

I am glad that Bush has decided to get this going again.

Some of these US hating countries have been testing longer and longer type missles, Iran and North Korea included. I believe China tested some several years ago but I dont remember correctly. I know recently North Korea has been testing them.

Sometimes the best offense is a good defense.

And Bush asked a few more billions for that. Don't you think it's just another way to make expenses on space exploration secret and have more fun wasting taxpayers' money? The same way it was with Bush's Anti-Ballistic Missile system which simply doesn't work. Well, it's your money, after all, so I'm glad you approve

Sometimes the best offense is a good defense.

Ok Rommell, I'll remember that when we reach for our Cyanide gum.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Originally Posted by Тоби

I took this as great news when I read it this morning.

I actually remember when President Ronald Reagan brought this up in the 80s. It was a bit of a far fetched idea, ok it was really far fetched, but we really wanted to see this happen.

I am glad that Bush has decided to get this going again.

Some of these US hating countries have been testing longer and longer type missles, Iran and North Korea included. I believe China tested some several years ago but I dont remember correctly. I know recently North Korea has been testing them.

Sometimes the best offense is a good defense.

And Bush asked a few more billions for that. Don't you think it's just another way to make expenses on space exploration secret and have more fun wasting taxpayers' money? The same way it was with Bush's Anti-Ballistic Missile system?

I for one have always been a big fan of the NASA space program, and I do understand that it costs us billions of dollars, but it has brought us so many new things into our everyday life.
Yet this is going to be somewhat different then the NASA program, I have to wait and see if they will be utilizing NASA for this type of program.

As for the Anti-Ballistic Missile System, the US did a test within the last month and it was very successfull. Its like any new system that comes up, you have to test it before actually putting it into use.

If there is anything I feel cheated on it is with the Cheney organization and what he has done with the business contracts(Halliburton) in Iraq and most likely other places. That is just wrong and I do hope everything finally comes out and folks go to jail.

OOps sorry jumped the gun on the Anti-Ballistic Missile System, I was still thinking Star Wars program.

We tested a system to take down long range missiles that may reach the US. These do not carry any Nukes.


Here is a link...


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military ... 08-15.html

The whole point of a new Bush's space doctrine is the fact that new expenses on military utilization of space will be classified and thus you'll never know just how much was spent on one satellite or another.

And this gives a perfect opportunity to have toilet bowls at military bases cost several thousand dollars each according to expense forecast. You won't be able to check whether they were made out of gold because that information would be classified.

In reality, some high-ranking officials will just add some 7-8 digit amounts to their offshore bank accounts and then report that US security heightened because of that program.

As for successful tests of ABM system - it might help against a single missile attack but will never help against the swarm of MIRVs heading towards hundred different targets.

Originally Posted by Ramil

And this gives a perfect opportunity to have toilet bowls at military bases cost several thousand dollars each according to expense forecast. You won't be able to check whether they were made out of gold because that information would be classified.

This has not really been a big secret the last 20 years or so. Its definitely unfortunate.

And this gives a perfect opportunity to have toilet bowls at military bases cost several thousand dollars each according to expense forecast. You won't be able to check whether they were made out of gold because that information would be classified.

i have yet to find thee exravagant tiolets at any of the bases ive been to.

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

And this gives a perfect opportunity to have toilet bowls at military bases cost several thousand dollars each according to expense forecast. You won't be able to check whether they were made out of gold because that information would be classified.

i have yet to find thee exravagant tiolets at any of the bases ive been to.

LOL

"Everyone has to use space peacefully, except us. We can do what we like, cos we were here first

Uh, no the US was not first in space. The Soviets were. Sputnik...Yuri Gagarin...geez people outta know history before writing articles.

Originally Posted by Dogboy182

And this gives a perfect opportunity to have toilet bowls at military bases cost several thousand dollars each according to expense forecast. You won't be able to check whether they were made out of gold because that information would be classified.

i have yet to find thee exravagant tiolets at any of the bases ive been to.

No gold?

Originally Posted by Тоби

I for one have always been a big fan of the NASA space program, and I do understand that it costs us billions of dollars, but it has brought us so many new things into our everyday life.
Yet this is going to be somewhat different then the NASA program, I have to wait and see if they will be utilizing NASA for this type of program.

Take it for someone in the space industry: NASA will have nothing to do with this. Any military space application is under the firm control of either the Air Force or the NRO. NASA deals with only civilian and scientific space applications.

Wait. Surely someone is smoking the reefer here, since there was nothing "quiet" about this -- not to mention the fact that they decided to bring back Star Wars WAYYYYYYY back when -- when Bush came into office and abrogated the ABM treaty. Surely you remember how pissed the Russians were then...!?!

Чертовские американцы. Почему они думают, что только им принадлежит космос?

Originally Posted by basurero

Чертовские американцы. Почему они думают, что только им принадлежит космос?

Это <офф-топик>, но здесь он правильно изпользовал глагол <принадлежить>?

Originally Posted by Бармалей

Originally Posted by basurero

Чертовские американцы. Почему они думают, что только им принадлежит космос?

Это <офф-топик>, но правильно ли он здесь изпользовал глагол <принадлежать>?

Да, только лучше: ..., что космос принадлежит только им?

I have not read anywhere where the US has stated that Space only belongs to them.
In fact they realize that China is doing some of this space exploration as well.

But Bush talked about this program he was relating to the outer space over the US, not over all the world.


So question:

Why is it that ALL NON AMERICANS think Negative about every news that comes out of the US? Such as the statement made that we think the space is all ours?

Significantly, however, it does not commit to restrict, or even to join talks about restricting the development of space-based weapons. This is despite a UN vote last year in which 160 nations voted in favour of such talks.

Вот что меня раздражает. Как они могут отказать Северной Корее в ядерных бомбах, когда они сами воздерживаются от обсуждения того, что они располагают делать в космосе? Это просто двойной стандарт. Они говорят, что хотят развивать оборону страны... но Северная Корея тоже говорит, что только пытается защищаться.

But Bush talked about this program he was relating to the outer space over the US, not over all the world.

Невозможно поместить спутник только над Америку. Это только возможно над экватором и к тому же, это лишает объекта и цели программы. Для того, чтобы улучшить оборону Америки, надо шпионить за другими странами. Невозможно шпионить за другими странами если спутники только находятся над Америкой.

I had to translate as I dont know enough about Russian to read.

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It this is what me irritates. How they can refuse to North Korea in the nuclear bombs, when they themselves do abstain from the consideration of the fact that they do locate to make in space? This is simply dual standard. They indicate that they want to develop the defense of the country… but North Korea he also indicates that only it attempts to protect.

I cant answer that fully, other then my own opinion. Please dont bash me because of it. We as a country do not make threats to other countries that they should not exist. Nor do we make threats about testing products specifically for that country. As North Korea was doing with there long range missile program. As well as of course there daily threats with Japan and South Korea. Agian just my opinion.
I dont have issues with folks like Russia/US having Nukes because I believe that they believe it is a last protection resort. These other countries such as North Korea/Iran would use it as a first resort. Or better yet, would sell it to some terrorist and watch the outcome on TV.

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It is not possible to place satellite only above America. This is only possible above the equator and moreover this deprives of object and of purpose of program. In order to improve the defense of America, it is necessary to spy after other countries. Cannot be spied after other countries if satellites only are located above America.

I dont know why you would think that placing satellites above the US is not possible? We have satellites right now that are above the US and they stay pointing at us, and rotate with our orbit as well. Called geostationary. Now of course we have GPS satellites as well which are all over the world. But I understood that the satellite system Bush is talking about would orbit around us. I dont think many other countries would like us to put a satellite over them. Believe it or not, if we want "spy" information, we still have to get it via high altitude flying.

You can read about satellites here
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/satellite.htm

I am sure there are more affective satellites that do spy but we US citizens dont know about them. So I cant elaborate.....