Thread: Occupy Wall Street around the world.... Your thoughts and feelings about it!

You sound as if we're living in two different worlds. I can imagine that you've witnessed such people, committed enough to the idea of protecting people from predatory capitalism that they were willing to invest their money and efforts into something without aiming at making more money, but I've never seen such an enthusiasm.
In order to think so, one should have enough money for satisfying all his primary needs (food, shelter, clothing) and not worry about them being in place in the future. But once a person reaches this level, greed take over. Well, perhaps, in America people are more altruistic in nature, I don't know. Here, in Russia, I've never seen anything like that. Oh, I heard some talks of it, but never seen any action that was pure and didn't have any hidden goal (like tax extemptions or things like that).
Well, then again, perhaps I'm too pessimistic about humans.

Originally Posted by Ramil

You sound as if we're living in two different worlds. I can imagine that you've witnessed such people, committed enough to the idea of protecting people from predatory capitalism that they were willing to invest their money and efforts into something without aiming at making more money, but I've never seen such an enthusiasm.
In order to think so, one should have enough money for satisfying all his primary needs (food, shelter, clothing) and not worry about them being in place in the future. But once a person reaches this level, greed take over. Well, perhaps, in America people are more altruistic in nature, I don't know. Here, in Russia, I've never seen anything like that. Oh, I heard some talks of it, but never seen any action that was pure and didn't have any hidden goal (like tax extemptions or things like that).
Well, then again, perhaps I'm too pessimistic about humans.

I'm realistic and understand no one is going to sacrifice their goals for someone else (with some very rare exceptions). It's the way we live on this planet and it's remaining this way as long as humanity exists. If you are pessimistic about it, you're gonna be pessimistic for the rest of your life.

Originally Posted by Ramil

You sound as if we're living in two different worlds. I can imagine that you've witnessed such people, committed enough to the idea of protecting people from predatory capitalism that they were willing to invest their money and efforts into something without aiming at making more money, but I've never seen such an enthusiasm.
In order to think so, one should have enough money for satisfying all his primary needs (food, shelter, clothing) and not worry about them being in place in the future. But once a person reaches this level, greed take over. Well, perhaps, in America people are more altruistic in nature, I don't know. Here, in Russia, I've never seen anything like that. Oh, I heard some talks of it, but never seen any action that was pure and didn't have any hidden goal (like tax extemptions or things like that).
Well, then again, perhaps I'm too pessimistic about humans.

Please read.
History of the cooperative movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Cooperative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Corporations are also able to do these things, without requiring great amounts of capital. If you get involved in these things, you'll find out where the capital drains are, and how to avoid them. For example, self incorporation allows people to start up without lawyers fees. And where business licenses are required and where they are not, and for what purposes.

Originally Posted by Ramil

... Money is not a bad thing by itself, it just enables some bad people to do bad things. Greed is sin. Remember?

P.S. by the way, limited liability companies are the perfect instrument for avoiding liability (and quite frequently - responsibility). Yes, it works both ways - very flexible.

No, limited liability corporations are not vehicles for avoiding responsibility.

Originally Posted by Seraph

Please read.
History of the cooperative movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
.
Cooperative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Your point?

Originally Posted by Seraph

Corporations are also able to do these things, without requiring great amounts of capital.

My friend, there is a huge difference between being able to and actually doing.

Originally Posted by Seraph

No, limited liability corporations are not vehicles for avoiding responsibility.

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Originally Posted by Ramil

Your point? My friend, there is a huge difference between being able to and actually doing.

I have seen it. Some of it in these things, co-ops, some in LLCs. These were small things, nothing like the big corporations that some people are complaining about, like BP or GS and the like.