Thread: Occupy Wall Street around the world.... Your thoughts and feelings about it!

Originally Posted by Seraph

There is something that people can do at a personal level, start an employee owned company

This will make you a capitalist Really, you will start thinking in a completely different way. After some time you'll find out that all your employees are nothing more than a bunch of whiners who try to avoid any work. You'll start your race for higher profits. That's a sad fact. Money spoils people. No one is immune, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Ramil

This will make you a capitalist Really, you will start thinking in a completely different way. After some time you'll find out that all your employees are nothing more than a bunch of whiners who try to avoid any work. You'll start your race for higher profits. That's a sad fact. Money spoils people. No one is immune, unfortunately.

Could you please clarify how racing for profits is "spoiled"?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Could you please clarify how racing for profits is "spoiled"?

It can very well be this way if profits become your only goal. If the means would start justifying the ends in this race. If (rephrasing Marx) you'll be ready to commit any crime for the sake of 300% profit. This is what I call 'spoiled perception'. Money is not everything, and there are really things left in this world that money cannot buy.

Originally Posted by Ramil

It can very well be this way if profits become your only goal. If the means would start justifying the ends in this race. If (rephrasing Marx) you'll be ready to commit any crime for the sake of 300% profit. This is what I call 'spoiled perception'. Money is not everything, and there are really things left in this world that money cannot buy.

Now would you be so kind to describe what you mean by "crime"? Is that what laws consider as a crime or something else? If the former, I hope you do understand the "crime sets" by the laws are almost the same in each more or less civilized country. And my answer in this case will be no, I'm not going to commit any crime either for any profit or anything else. Again, if you mean the latter, could you explain what?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Now would you be so kind to describe what you mean by "crime"? Is that what laws consider as a crime or something else? If the former, I hope you do understand the "crime sets" by the laws are almost the same in each more or less civilized country. And my answer in this case will be no, I'm not going to commit any crime either for any profit or anything else. Again, if you mean the latter, could you explain what?

So, in a country with *perfect* laws you could be right. But no such country exists. That's what I'm talking about, by the way, about 'spoiled perception'. Many hypocrites hide behind the word 'law' to calm their concience (or nightmares) - What? I'm not violating any laws, I'm a law abiding citizen, leave me alone. I could dig up for some examples of this, but I'm really not in the mood for that. I'm sure, you can see the picture. I'm talking about the situations when technically no law gets violated, but innocents suffer as a result of your actions.
There's more though. People do violate laws for money and the more you are rich and powerful the more chances you get to get away with it. I'm sure, you can find examples of this also.

So, are you trying to tell me that aiming strictly for profits and profits alone is good? No, you won't succeed, so don't waste your time. Money is not a bad thing by itself, it just enables some bad people to do bad things. Greed is sin. Remeber?

P.S. by the way, limited liability companies are the perfect instrument for avoiding liability (and quite frequently - responsibility). Yes, it works both ways - very flexible.