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About LinkBacks"his country" ? Aren't you Russian? Or are you Ukrainian?Originally Posted by diogen_
I too think he should continue to push for federalization. Politically it's definitely the thing to do.
But on the other hand, I wouldn't lose any sleep if Russia annexed either. That would teach the USA once and for all, about the price of engineering coup d'etats in Europe. I mean, if they can do this in Ukraine, who in Europe is next?
What do most people in Russia think he should do?
At the same time, I also think Putin is a bit cruel towards the people in these regions. After what they saw happening on Crimea, they probably thought there was a good chance they could trigger something similar.
And now, it looks like it's not going to be possible? If he had made it completely clear from Day 1 that Russia would never annex them, a lot of chaos could have been prevented, and lives saved. So it seems unfair to "lead them on" and then pull back.
If this had been the 18th century, Russia (and/or someone else!) would have conquered all, or parts of Ukraine by now. It's served up on a silver platter, practically. As countries goes, it as young as a child, and it's been on artificial breathing all its life. It just doesn't seem to be able to stand on its own feet. But alas, today in the 21st century, we don't do that (well, the US does, sort of.. but no other country, really)
If Russia does anything, it will be called an invasion. If NATO somehow figures out a way to get a legitmate foothold in Ukraine, it will be called "stabilisation" or "peacekeeping" or something like that.
As for the price that Russia would have to pay: I don't think much more can be done. Serious sanctions against Russia are not an option in Europe. The rhetoric is already at the level of comparing Putin with Hitler, so how much worse can that get; not much.... or?
I've enjoyed your argumentation in this question - always wanted to see you come out squarely in one camp or another and on Crimea etc, you finally did. It doesn't make your posts any less interesting, so keep it up!
Hard to follow all of it for me though, but nonetheless. No more devils advocate crocodile..
I am more like you normally are, in this. I don't really know who's right or wrong and I can see both sides of the argument. I sway back and forth.
Que? What is Novorussia (I can guess, but I never heard it, where does the expression come from..? )
From the completely detached, political science perspective, this is fascinating because nobody really pulled off an actual land grab in Europe since 1939 -1945.... Putin just did it in Crimea, but without anybody dying and with more or less the full support of the population. It really is genius work, from a Political Science perspective.
But part of being a Political Science genius is to quit when you are ahead. Not get greedy and lose all.
The US was genius too, when it "won" the Cold War despite having less noble ideals and all of that, essentially making all of Eastern Europe just resign and hand themselves over to the American sphere, including NATO membership etc. And then getting the Soviet Union into an economical competiton it couldn't win.
But still, none of the areas became American territory like Crimea became Russian.
The areas became under strong US influence, in NATO but still with their own borders.
I thought that maybe the time of land-grabbing wars in Europe are over, the new way is just who controls the economy and which foreign bases are on that country's territory?
But here it's actual land changing names.
If Russia DID go into Ukraine, it wouldn't meet any serious resistance though, would it? Hardly much from locals and probably not much from the UA army... NATO cannot enter Ukraine as far as I know.
So this is like when you are trying to diet and somebody brings you chocolate. Just say no!
Omg, the accent of the British reporter, lol ! I guess they had to pull him out of the closet after Ukraine wouldn't allow entry to the regular native speaking reporters. But well done him to get these ladies to open up and speak their minds!
Your first clip I couldn't follow, but this I more or less understand.
However, from a Western perspective, anything that RT says is "Russian propaganda". So.......
