Thread: Latest from Ukraine

Originally Posted by 14Russian

So what? IT just says it's unproven. There's lots of info reported that Russia has been involved but of course, every single one of them is denied by Putinoids. Yeah, I suppose NONE are accurate. But, logically, Russia borders this region in Ukraine and the rebels never seem to run out of military equipment. I am using a logical argument here. You are not.

About credibility of Kiev's "proofs"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/wo...tion.html?_r=0

When Senator James Inhofe took the floor of the Senate on Wednesday to argue for arming the Ukrainian military, he brought with him what he called indisputable proof of Moscow’s support for the separatists in eastern Ukraine — a poster with three large photographs of “Russian tanks entering Ukrainian territory.” In his prepared remarks, Mr. Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma, said the images of “Russian troops in T-72 tanks, B.T.R. armored personnel carriers, and B.M.P. infantry fighting vehicles entering eastern Ukraine” constituted evidence of “an invasion of the Ukraine by Russia.”

In fact, one of the images showing Russian tanks in South Ossetia in 2008 that was provided to Mr. Inhofe was posted on the website of Ukraine’s foreign ministry on Aug. 1 as supposed proof that “a long convoy of armored vehicles and several KAMAZ with armed men crossed Ukrainian-Russian border” one day earlier.

So if there is no proof then Kiev "makes" it, that's how it was done since the beginning of this conflict

Originally Posted by hddscan

.So if there is no proof then Kiev "makes" it, that's how it was done since the beginning of this conflict

LOL! Yeah, yeah, both sides accuse each other of using old videos and photographs. So, what?

You didn't answer the question. That's because you can't. The right questions aren't being asked. That's because Ukraine's leadership is inept. Imho. Their strategy is awful. They're in over their heads.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

You didn't answer the question.

Could you formulate your question in one sentence and I'll answer it?

Originally Posted by hddscan

Could you formulate your question in one sentence and I'll answer it?

Why does there seem to be an endless supply of military equipment and weapons in that region? I could expand on that - what's the numbers for the Ukraine army vs rebels? The rebels seem to be making the most advancements. It's in Russia's best interest to do so. They border the area - so, it's logical to assume that they are supplying weapons.

I don't buy they already had equipment. Not that much. Also, there were already Russian general there including Girkin. All the logic points to these theories to being probable facts. Nothing else makes sense.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Why does there seem to be an endless supply of military equipment and weapons in that region?

Because there are a lot of weapons left from USSR times
As a person who was on several military storage sites I can tell you that there are a lot of weapons stored, some even from before WWII. They don't exist on paper but they do exist in real life.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It's in Russia's best interest to do so. They border the area - so, it's logical to assume that they are supplying weapons.

By that logic Poland were supposed to supply plenty of arms and troops to Ukraine. It's your logic, remember that.

Originally Posted by hddscan

By that logic Poland were supposed to supply plenty of arms and troops to Ukraine. It's your logic, remember that.

Except, there are no terrorists at the Ukrainian Polish border.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Except, there are no terrorists at the Ukrainian Polish border.

It depends who you ask, isn't it