Thread: Latest from Ukraine

Originally Posted by hddscan

Russia is involved the question is how.
The West claims that Russia sends weapons and regular troops to Ukraine, that is highly unlikely.
However things like: satellite images, uniforms, radios, food, as well as motivated volunteers do come to rebels from Russia. But such things also come to pro-Kiev forces(or as CNN said pro-American forces) from the West, maybe in lesser quantities.

LOL! So, the US is sending things but Russia is not? Well, at least, the West is not sending weapons (yet?). It's obvious Russia is sending weapons and military gear. There's no way there would be such an unlimited supply already in the Eastern part of Ukraine.

Russia shelled Ukrainians from within its own territory, says study | World news | The Guardian

Remembering the shelling: 'We saw a glow, they were burned alive' | World news | The Guardian

Putinoids don't have any credibility - Russia doesn't either - 'There's no green men...' Russia obviously sanctions anything the rebels are doing. They could stop this if they wanted but they don't care that people are killing each other. I know Ukrainians don't like this (idea) but, IMHO, they should try to figure out, at what point, will the rebels stop....and go from there.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It's obvious Russia is sending weapons and military gear.

Could you explain it to me how it's done, logistically?
Just FYI there are OSCE observers on a border between Russia and Ukraine.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Russia shelled Ukrainians from within its own territory, says study | World news | The Guardian

Measuring diameter of craters on satellite images and predicting where a shell came from based solemnly on that is not even wahtaboutery it's just BS.

And here is a confirmation, from the very article

An independent military forensics expert warned that the accuracy of crater analysis in determining direction of fire on the basis of satellite photography was scientifically unproven

Bottom line - BS

Originally Posted by hddscan

Measuring diameter of craters on satellite images and predicting where a shell came from based solemnly on that is not even wahtaboutery it's just BS.

And here is a confirmation, from the very article

Bottom line - BS

So what? IT just says it's unproven. There's lots of info reported that Russia has been involved but of course, every single one of them is denied by Putinoids. Yeah, I suppose NONE are accurate. But, logically, Russia borders this region in Ukraine and the rebels never seem to run out of military equipment. I am using a logical argument here. You are not.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

So what? IT just says it's unproven. There's lots of info reported that Russia has been involved but of course, every single one of them is denied by Putinoids. Yeah, I suppose NONE are accurate. But, logically, Russia borders this region in Ukraine and the rebels never seem to run out of military equipment. I am using a logical argument here. You are not.

About credibility of Kiev's "proofs"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/wo...tion.html?_r=0

When Senator James Inhofe took the floor of the Senate on Wednesday to argue for arming the Ukrainian military, he brought with him what he called indisputable proof of Moscow’s support for the separatists in eastern Ukraine — a poster with three large photographs of “Russian tanks entering Ukrainian territory.” In his prepared remarks, Mr. Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma, said the images of “Russian troops in T-72 tanks, B.T.R. armored personnel carriers, and B.M.P. infantry fighting vehicles entering eastern Ukraine” constituted evidence of “an invasion of the Ukraine by Russia.”

In fact, one of the images showing Russian tanks in South Ossetia in 2008 that was provided to Mr. Inhofe was posted on the website of Ukraine’s foreign ministry on Aug. 1 as supposed proof that “a long convoy of armored vehicles and several KAMAZ with armed men crossed Ukrainian-Russian border” one day earlier.

So if there is no proof then Kiev "makes" it, that's how it was done since the beginning of this conflict

Originally Posted by hddscan

.So if there is no proof then Kiev "makes" it, that's how it was done since the beginning of this conflict

LOL! Yeah, yeah, both sides accuse each other of using old videos and photographs. So, what?

You didn't answer the question. That's because you can't. The right questions aren't being asked. That's because Ukraine's leadership is inept. Imho. Their strategy is awful. They're in over their heads.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

You didn't answer the question.

Could you formulate your question in one sentence and I'll answer it?

Originally Posted by hddscan

Could you formulate your question in one sentence and I'll answer it?

Why does there seem to be an endless supply of military equipment and weapons in that region? I could expand on that - what's the numbers for the Ukraine army vs rebels? The rebels seem to be making the most advancements. It's in Russia's best interest to do so. They border the area - so, it's logical to assume that they are supplying weapons.

I don't buy they already had equipment. Not that much. Also, there were already Russian general there including Girkin. All the logic points to these theories to being probable facts. Nothing else makes sense.

More fakes about Russian troops in Ukraine, this time from Germany - http://rt.com/news/232963-germany-russia-tanks-ukraine/

What's the point to show all these fakes if

It's obvious Russia is sending weapons and military gear.

I mean if it's obvious why all the fakes?

Originally Posted by hddscan

More fakes about Russian troops in Ukraine, this time from Germany - http://rt.com/news/232963-germany-russia-tanks-ukraine/

What's the point to show all these fakes if
I mean if it's obvious why all the fakes?

Germany wants a reason to say out of it. Even though, they are obedient to the West (USA etc.), they have economic ties to Russia and Russia's effect on the EU mean they are divided. The rich there have money at stake so they sabotage info. It's all about money.

That's my theory on why all the fakes.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

That's my theory on why all the fakes.

You mean they show all the fakes to lose their own credibility and to confirm that there is no Russian troops in Ukraine?
Does Kiev do all the fakes for the same reason?

Originally Posted by hddscan

You mean they show all the fakes to lose their own credibility and to confirm that there is no Russian troops in Ukraine?
Does Kiev do all the fakes for the same reason?

Oh, so every image or example is a fake? Putinoid logic again - Russian/rebel source true - everything else is fake/false.

I don't know of any Kiev fakes. They're all fakes according to you. Anything that comes from the other parts of Ukraine (Kiev or otherwise) is a fake - by definition. It's a waste of time answering your nonsense.