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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60468264


    И кошки и все звери должны скрести на душе, когда идут на братоубийство" "
    Ну кошки то скребут, собаки лают, а караван идет... Путин признал народные республики в границах прежних областей. Все, украм пора сдаваться, а нам затягивать пояса, и готовиться к тому, как вы будете пытаться нас придушить. Пока все. Дальше видно будет.Утро вечера дрянее))

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Ну кошки то скребут, собаки лают, а караван идет... Путин признал народные республики в границах прежних областей. Все, украм пора сдаваться, а нам затягивать пояса, и готовиться к тому, как вы будете пытаться нас придушить. Пока все. Дальше видно будет.Утро вечера дрянее))
    Зачем раздувать вражду? Какая и кому от неё польза?
    Ничего не понятно. Почему бы не жить спокойной, скучной жизнью, как все остальные?

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    Я ничего не раздуваю, а анализирую!! Говорил, что запахло керосином, а вы мне не верили! Все, началась война!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Я ничего не раздуваю, а анализирую!! Говорил, что запахло керосином, а вы мне не верили! Все, началась война!!
    Ужас!
    Соскучились по гробам

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    Много букв. Ниасилил. ))
    Зато покажу тут, как один австралийский казак рисует будущий «глобус» Украины. Оптимист, однако)).
    https://goldcoastreview.com/state-of...ukrainian-war/

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    Не желай другому того, чего не желаешь себе.

    Говорят, что никому не удавалось объединить Украину, сплотить её народ так, как это сделал Путин.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Войны не будет: Китай не поддержит. Так что все по домам!

    https://thediplomat.com/2022/02/why-...on-of-ukraine/
    It would seem that The Diplomat forgot to inform China.
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ine-war-a76913

    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60468264


    И кошки и все звери должны скрести на душе, когда идут на братоубийство" "
    Fratricide already happened in the USA. They called it the Civil War... 12 April 1861 to 9 April 1865.

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    Ужас!
    Соскучились по гробам
    History is replete with horror... All over the globe.

    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Много букв. Ниасилил. ))
    Зато покажу тут, как один австралийский казак рисует будущий «глобус» Украины. Оптимист, однако)).
    https://goldcoastreview.com/state-of...ukrainian-war/
    Bookmarked. I will be following him since our 1-sided media has banned everything else.
    I am an American, not a Russian, so I should not be involved in this blood feud. But our leaders think I should be.
    For the first time, since the Covid pandemic, we have lots of empty shelves in the stores, unbelievable inflation, shortages of groceries, and extremely expensive gas prices.
    I'm even mildly concerned that wearing my Sukhoi-27 T-shirt - made in Uzbekistan & printed in Moscow - makes me a moving target. I think only my money makes me immune.

    But since my government is pushing me into this Russian matter, I want to, at least, be able to hear all sides.
    Oleg of Novgorod, Vladimir the Great, the Byzantine Empire, & the trade route that passes through Kiev convince me that Ukraine is, historically, an intimate part of Russia. That's why I consider what's happening, a Civil War. But how politicians & military strategists view this is, of course, entirely different. I only hope they don't push this to the brink of a World War. - Not that I would mind fighting and dying but I would like for that to be for something worth dying for. And that would not be for money or power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UhOhXplode View Post
    That's why I consider what's happening, a Civil War. But how politicians & military strategists view this is, of course, entirely different..
    Однако это гражданская война, вызванная США, которые двадцать лет вмешивались в украинские дела.

    Кстати, я тоже американец.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT View Post
    Однако это гражданская война, вызванная США, которые двадцать лет вмешивались в украинские дела.

    Кстати, я тоже американец.
    Опять Путин ни в чём не виноват.

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    What about Mexico taking back its occupied lands?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession


    At one point, the whole Russia was under Kiev.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'

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    I hope everyone had a happy Maslenitsa. We did, with pancakes and buckwheat pancakes from flour, eggs, and milk and with maple syrup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    What about Mexico taking back its occupied lands?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession
    I'm happy I don't live in that region. But that could only happen if Mexico was a nuclear superpower.
    But I do see your point since it does have historical significance for the Mexican people.


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    At one point, the whole Russia was under Kiev.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus'
    No misunderstandings. I am only an observer. But this gives me a unique opportunity to see the story from both sides. So maybe Vladimir Putin is the reincarnation of Ivan III.
    When Ivan, in Muscovy, conquered the Republic of Novgorod, to the north, he cited suspicious associations with the West. Is that not exactly what Putin is saying about Ukraine?
    Thousands were killed then, And that included any Boyars that had not fled to the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom.

    By the way, thanks for the history. But I am well versed on the origins of Kievan Rus. It began in the Baltics with a Varangian Chieftan, named Rurik. He was invited to rule in Novgorod and his statue can be seen, today, in Veliky Novgorod.
    The Veliky part caused some confusion, at first, but it is Veliky Ustyug that is home to Ded Moroz and Snegurochka... so many cities, histories, and names to keep track of...

    When Rurik died, his kinsman, Oleg of Novgorod, became the new leader. I'm also aware of his conquests enroute to Kiev. All this was followed by Olegs sojourn to Byzantium, his desire to marry into royalty there, the selection of orthodox Christianity as a National religion, the creation of the Old Church Slavonic alphabet, and the baptisms of Vladimir the Great.
    I am also versed in the history of the Mongol Invasion, in the thirteenth century, the beginnings of Tsarist Russia, the multi-national Boyars who became known as Cossaks and protected the Tsars, Lubyanka Square and the Insurance company building, the Oprichniki, the Cheka, Felix Dzerzhinsky, etc, etc.

    To be honest, I wish the conflict in Ukraine could have ended on a happier note, in 2014. I also wish Iraq had not been bombed. But who can figure military strategists and I wonder if this is not more about Sergei Shoigu than Vladimir Putin...
    Or even, considering the culture, Patriarch Kirill who also considers the West a threat...

    In any event, my conclusions resemble a video you posted... Чего блять!?
    As an American who loves Russian history, the language, and Russian culture, I will be watching this thread.
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    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6301032873001#sp=show-clips
    Теперь понятно почему у всушников пятки не сверкают. И тут ЦРУ наследило.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6301032873001#sp=show-clips
    Теперь понятно почему у всушников пятки не сверкают. И тут ЦРУ наследило.
    Им нéкуда отступать.

    НЕТ ВОЙНЕ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Им нéкуда отступать.

    НЕТ ВОЙНЕ!
    Ну я тоже против войны, но пока не вижу перспектив у мира! Донбас политикам никак не поделить, а без него мира не будет! зуб даю!!

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    Талси Габбард точно знает, почем фунт лиха для Украины. Наверняка читает Диогена перед сном))
    https://youtu.be/6ZvRb6Tbg8c

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    Quote Originally Posted by diogen_ View Post
    Талси Габбард точно знает, почем фунт лиха для Украины. Наверняка читает Диогена перед сном))
    https://youtu.be/6ZvRb6Tbg8c
    How nice: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2048584.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Surely, especially shadow banning of any descendant voice))

    https://youtu.be/EseSsywvkhs

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    C давних пор не смотрю Fox channel и не собираюсь начинать. Другие источники пожалуйста.
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