Thread: Iran

Alright, so let me start my comments by first admitting I do not personally share the point of view of those who say the Iranian opposition was directed by the US. Neither would I think the Ukrainian Orange Revolution was directed by the US. Therefore, my comments would probably missing the hatred for the US heat required as I would just repeat what some of the other people [in Russia] were thinking.

Let me first state the obvious: the fact that you, Misha, do not think you were directed from the US does not mean those who made the hype you supported weren't directed by the US. The highest chic in politics and/or undercover operations is to use a person without the person realizing he's been used. The operative would sincerely believe he is acting on his own. Those operations are usually the most successful.

Now, let me address some of the individual points:

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

The first thing that any sane person understands from it is that the protesters wanted the world to see them.

Exactly! So, if you're opposing to YOUR government and want the other IRANIANS support your cause, you should write ALL your slogans in FARSI ONLY (and not in Mandarin or Cantonese) so YOUR PEOPLE would understand. If you want the WORLD see your placards, that means you rely on the REACTION OF THE WORLD. So, you are essentially inviting the US and Europe the other nations to press your own national government by the means they have! And, as you're not a naive person as you mentioned earlier, you might realize the other nations would never rarely act on your behalf, only if that serves their own interest. How much of being patriotic you actions were?

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

Second, the opposition demanded not to accept the legitimate election results. The what? Legitimate?

Ok, so who decides what is legitimate and what's not? A communist party in the US can never win as it's not legitimate right from the start, so it can't participate in elections. But, what if the majority of the US people want the Communist regime? We would never know as they are not asked. The bottom line is - it's the present government who decides. The US elections are a joke because both parties are essentially bought by the large capital and ultimately serve it's interest. So, the Republicans and Democrats are fighting with each other creating some kind of a show that the US is an open society but in reality there's not much difference.

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

Consider this situation: you have a president. The next presidential election is to be held by members of his own cabinet, namely the Ministry of Interior and such. This whole script is under supervision of an appointed group called "The Guardian Council", whose members have openly expressed their support for the president. Now, I don't know what you think, but I think it's a bit suspicious.

Well, it's up to the Iranians to decide. It's not any other country's business. If the Iranians want the Guardian Council to supervise the main political processes and add to the stability of the society and enforce the traditional values, it's their right. That should not be changed by the all-bought-inside-and-out-and-full-of-liars Western media negatively portraying legitimately elected Iranian President who does not want his country to be 'liberated' by the US and become totally controlled state with an average salary of a just a bit over $15 per person whilst the US people would buy the Earth piece by piece, putting the puppet governments here and there, and rule the world with their strong hand primarily by bombing the peaceful civilians and their pets. So, the Iranian President doesn't want that to happen and so he's going to some extremes which are only necessary because his enemies are ruthless, have no control, totally greedy, and only understand the brute force. So, those extremes are completely justified. And, in fact, there's not much he's doing so bad to his people. Does he conveys mass-murders? Not really. Is he doing anything close to what Saddam Hussein did? (Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Not even close. By the way, if legitimately elected Saddam Hussein wanted to kill his own civilians with gas, so that's the will of Iraqi people too. (Or, the US was behind this wrongdoing. Whichever you like better.)

Anyways, I think you got the picture. So, what do you think of that? (Please, try to abstain from granting titles of ' ', 'brainwashed', and alike. Thanks in advance.)