Thread: Demographic dynamics under socialism + tidbits of Putin + related stuff

Originally Posted by 14Russian

I didn't interpret it that way. Many others didn't either.

I didn't interpret anything, I took your words, translated them and posted the answer, if it's not what you meant that's fine, just choose your wording better next time

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Many others didn't either.

I disagree and you have no proof

Originally Posted by 14Russian

I also said, he is responsible for the condition of the country but he made a general statement about heads of state are responsible for their economies.

Hm, let's see
So you are saying that he's responsible for the conditions and he's saying that he, as a president responsible for the conditions but somehow what you're saying and what he said are two different things. Interesting, illogical, but still interesting. Don't know if there is any point to argue with that since I cannot even see a difference.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Those 'government moves' are going to stop the collapse?

What collapse? I don't think any collapse is happening or going to happen. Or it's again not what you meant?

Originally Posted by hddscan

I didn't interpret anything, I took your words, translated them and posted the answer, if it's not what you meant that's fine, just choose your wording better next time

I disagree and you have no proof

What collapse? I don't think any collapse is happening or going to happen. Or it's again not what you meant?

My last comment on this: it's not difficult to understand. If you read the article PLUS the comments, they all had the same conclusion I did: Putin said he is responsible for the economy as a head of state. He said it in vague and generic terms. But, he didn't take blame or responsibilty for the actual problems - his argument is that oil prices is causing some difficulty and that's where he made his 'us vs them' and we're the cornered bear speech. So, he didn't take responsibilty that Russia is not self-sustaining and that without advantageous oil/gas market conditions, Russia is susceptible to major economic problems. There might have been a hint of a 'we must diversify' comment but that's it.

Saying, "I am responsible for my country and the economy.' (PERIOD) is not exactly the same as 'I am responsible for my economy going into the toilet.' (PERIOD). He is more or less, merely saying, 'don't worry, I'll take care of it.' Not that his policies have resulted or contributed in the problem in the first place. I guess you don't see a difference because you have your Putinoid goggles strapped tight on your head.

What collapse? I don't think any collapse is happening or going to happen. Or it's again not what you meant?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...-watch-1-.html

"Yeah, I dunno....I don't see one either....duhhhhh...'

Originally Posted by 14Russian

What collapse? I don't think any collapse is happening or going to happen. Or it's again not what you meant?
Russia on Verge of Junk as S&P Puts Rating on Negative Watch - Bloomberg

"Yeah, I dunno....I don't see one either....duhhhhh...'

"Junk rating" or speculative rating means that investors are less likely to invest money in that particular country economy and it's far from "collapse"
First of all, if you didn't know Russia having problem at the moment to bring Western investments because of the sanctions, it's been like that for several month, it's a problem but not a catastrophe.
Second if you read your article then you might notice that it says: "Russia may lose its investment-grade credit rating for the first time in a decade after Standard & Poor’s". So it may or may not but you already predicting a collapse which means you are trying to sell your personal desires as a fact, does not look very convincing though.
BTW if S&P does lower the rating then Russia will go a step lower and will stand with countries like: Turkey, Bulgaria, Georgia, Croatia, Serbia, Costa Rica, Portugal etc. are they collapsing too or it is not what you meant again?
And third, here is an argument against yours - Rogers: Russia next year will be a great investment - News 24

Originally Posted by hddscan

"Junk rating" or speculative rating means that investors are less likely to invest money in that particular country economy and it's far from "collapse"
First of all, if you didn't know Russia having problem at the moment to bring Western investments because of the sanctions, it's been like that for several month, it's a problem but not a catastrophe.
Second if you read your article then you might notice that it says: "Russia may lose its investment-grade credit rating for the first time in a decade after Standard & Poor’s". So it may or may not but you already predicting a collapse which means you are trying to sell your personal desires as a fact, does not look very convincing though.
BTW if S&P does lower the rating then Russia will go a step lower and will stand with countries like: Turkey, Bulgaria, Georgia, Croatia, Serbia, Costa Rica, Portugal etc. are they collapsing too or it is not what you meant again?
And third, here is an argument against yours - Rogers: Russia next year will be a great investment - News 24

You can stick your head in the sand.... It's your right.

It's true, though, it is not 'evidence' on its own. But, there's many indicators of a collapse, the ruble tumble and I guess you either A) don't think I am correct about Russia not being self-sustaining or B) you think it's not a concern. It doesn't really matter. You are entrenched in your beliefs and I could probably post any number of indicators and in robotic form, you will deny anything negative or spin it. Not until Putin throws up his arms and says, 'We're *****ed', will you believe anything else.

I think many countries are in trouble and that list doesn't change that. Maybe you don't notice but economies throughout the world are reliant on each other and these ties or partners are stronger with some than others. This is one of the major problems in the global economy the MSM doesn't talk about. Everyone thinks it's great when you have 'free' trade. But, Russia has not had a policy to sustain itself since it relied on the oil/gas sector and Russia's oligarchs took the most profitable money-making ventures. Putin et al. were satisfied with that and let ordinary Russians deal on their own.

It's obvious, Russia is heading for a collapse and so are a number of other countries. For now, Russia will keep getting worse. Jim Rogers would be considered an oliarch in your country. I guess you didn't know he's a buddy of George Soros? These affluent gentlemen say, it's a good 'investment' because they buy assets after they've depreciated....some sell them later. Or they wait for bad investments to go bad and then buy them up. That doesn't mean Russia is going to climb out of economic problems. I don't know why someone who bashes the West periodically would believe such entrepreneurs in the States. That's ironic as heck.

Btw, maybe JR, Soros and others think a Russian collapse is inevitable? Perhaps, they think a pro-Western regime can be attained so they are advocating their buddies to buy up assets in Russia in anticpation? I suppose you never think of their motives? It's not surprising.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It's true, though, it is not 'evidence' on its own.

Awesome then let's come back to the original question, shall we?

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Those 'government moves' are going to stop the collapse?

Originally Posted by hddscan

What collapse? I don't think any collapse is happening or going to happen. Or it's again not what you meant?

Once you have something factual to say - we can discuss. Otherwise you just rending the air with some very biased opinions.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It's obvious, Russia is heading for a collapse and so are a number of other countries.

It's obvious that we are getting invaded by aliens. Or not.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

Jim Rogers would be considered an oliarch in your country. I guess you didn't know he's a buddy of George Soros?

I know who Jim Rogers is. It is funny though that you try to find some negatives about him and since you are not able to find any dirt in your usual sources you switch to Russian once, it's quite interesting to observe you desperate tries to blackpaint everything and anything that might be good in relation to Russia. Propaganda much?

Originally Posted by hddscan

It's obvious that we are getting invaded by aliens. Or not.

I know who Jim Rogers is. It is funny though that you try to find some negatives about him and since you are not able to find any dirt in your usual sources you switch to Russian once, it's quite interesting to observe you desperate tries to blackpaint everything and anything that might be good in relation to Russia. Propaganda much?

LOL. The only propaganda is coming from you. 'you are not able to find any dirt in your usual sources.....' Blah, blah, blah.... another Russian posted sources. That wasn't good enough. I posted sources. That's not good enough. Everything you disagree with is propaganda.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

LOL. The only propaganda is coming from you. 'you are not able to find any dirt in your usual sources.....' Blah, blah, blah.... another Russian posted sources. That wasn't good enough. I posted sources. That's not good enough. Everything you disagree with is propaganda.

Тут у вас не политика, не околополитика, а пустая перепалка. Жду, когда вам надоест перебрасываться колкостями.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

I posted sources. That's not good enough.

The only source you posted was an article on the Bloomberg about S&P credit ratings and you, yourself, said that it's not even evidence.
If you have other sources then please share them.
It seems to me that all what you saying is: "I'm right because I said so".