Thread: Demographic dynamics under socialism + tidbits of Putin + related stuff

Originally Posted by hddscan

I'm sorry but I can't agree with you on that or maybe you hide it very well.
Moreover the way you present your information sources show that you are always getting one side of the story, which means you are not operating with facts but with propaganda only

Hmm, let's face the facts, shall we?
You asked to confirm where Putin says that he takes responsibility, I gave you that and please note that information sources you read did not give you that information i.e. they lied to you.
Now you still insist that I'm being lied to over and over but in reality it's the other way around. I guess that makes you what? Harperbot?

True, and this is completely and entirely fault of Russian government - Putin's government and Yeltsin's and Medvedev's.
Although I finally see something good happening about that not that it is Putin's desire but rather inevitability of the situation.

Do I need to care about that? And why?
BTW I have no plans to keep my earnings in Canadian dollar and I bet I'm not alone. Does it make Canadian currency unimportant?

Hold to that thought
Now go and read all those precious MSM you've been referring to.
You'll find that they all claim loud and ambitious that the sanctions are working and Russian economy is hurt because of that.
So what is it? Do they work or do they not? You can't have it both ways.

You're the one that is not facing facts. Also, can you stop with your neo-Soviet propaganda in this thread? Bickering with diogen, you're going to get it closed. Or maybe that is your intent? This is Sergei's thread to deal with the economy in Russia at the moment.

I already explained my choice of sources. If you don't know about my 'anti-West' comments, you didn't read all my posts (from previous) and that's your problem, not mine.

If I interpreted, correctly, Putin didn't take the blame per se. He merely stated, that a head of state is responsible for the country (country's economy etc.). He didn't say, explicitly, that 'my actions led to this predicament.' Can you recognize or distinguish a difference? Probably not.

'Although I finally see something good happening about that not that it is Putin's desire but rather inevitability of the situation.' - Based on what? You have no logic to your conclusions.

Are you saying the sanctions aren't having an impact at all? I never contested that they were the main driving force hurting Russia's economy. I said, that Russia is not SELF-SUSTAINING. I predicted an economic collapse way before sanctions, way before the Ukraine conflict. They are too reliant on oil/gas. The economy is mismanaged, in general. Now, that oil/gas prices have dropped, it's easier to recognize these weaknesses - except for Putinoids, I guess.

'BTW I have no plans to keep my earnings in Canadian dollar and I bet I'm not alone. Does it make Canadian currency unimportant?' - Possibly? If people are losing faith in the value of a currency and dumping it, it might mean it's becoming unimportant? Did you fail economics? I'm not sure why you're saying this unless you are implying that there isn't a concern with the ruble? Btw, the Canadian currency has fallen with respect to the U.S. dollar and if one considers the U.S. dollar has been falling more than recovering, that's alarming, imho. But, I digress...

I hope I answered your questions.

Btw, I don't know what is wrong with this statement:
Социальные потрясения 20 века на всем пространстве бывшего СССР - войны, голод, массовое насилие в ходе революционных процессов и социально-экономических экспериментов - нарушили естественный ход демографической эволюции и непосредственным образом сказались на демографических судьбах поколений, испытавших воздействие чрезвычайных обстоятельств на тех или иных отрезках времени своей жизни.

Sounds accurate to me. Btw, I have a theory that the population in Poland started dropping after EU association. If you look at current EU policies and the culture they push, it's to promote work for both parents. Thus, they are having less children. This is part of the social-democratic (socialist) model so in essence, diogen, is correct. You are wrong....as usual.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

You're the one that is not facing facts. Also, can you stop with your neo-Soviet propaganda in this thread?

Not saying that socialism is nothing but bad is not neo-Soviet propaganda, you and diogen on the other hand say that socialism-USSR-Russia is nothing but bad, so you spread propaganda. Looks logical to me.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

This is Sergei's thread to deal with the economy in Russia at the moment.

It's not me who started turning it to socialism discussion, so maybe you need to bark at the source?