Thread: An alternative view of the USA & some other countries

Originally Posted by Crocodile

...There's no border between Israel and Iran for the ground forces to fight...

Well, between us and them, you got a whole lot of Arabs. Their opinion of Israel is well-known [although, if they are Arab, you can't be sure they won't change their minds at the last moment]. Anyway, if it happens, the entire Middle East is bound to get engaged.

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

although, if they are Arab, you can't be sure they won't change their minds at the last moment

Wow! Have you started speaking disparagingly about the entire race??!!! Makes me wonder ...

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

Anyway, if it happens, the entire Middle East is bound to get engaged.

The previous history shows that might not necessarily be true. I mean, there are concerns, but in practice it had never really happened.


About the Stuxnet as a weapon, if that's true that kind of war seems much better to me than killing live people. Feel free to disagree (TM).

Originally Posted by Crocodile

About the Stuxnet as a weapon, if that's true that kind of war seems much better to me than killing live people. Feel free to disagree (TM).

But it can kill people. One can arrange some explosion or poisonous gas leak with it.

Originally Posted by Ramil

But it can kill people. One can arrange some explosion or poisonous gas leak with it.

You're right, it's probably possible. Ok, I was wrong. All wars suck.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Wow! Have you started speaking disparagingly about the entire race??!!! Makes me wonder ...

First, they're not a race. The Arab world is composed of different races. What makes them united is the Arabic language (and culture). Thirteen centuries ago, the only countries that accepted Islam but retained their language were Persia (Iran) and the Ottoman Empire (Turkey). Others adopted the Arabic language, which gradually resulted in a cultural change, but that doesn't change their race. So, my statement wasn't a racy one.

Second, yes, in a broader sense, my statement might seem to be disrespectful of their great culture. But it's got nothing to do with race. Iranians' dislike of Arabs is more of a cultural/historical matter. Throughout our history, Arabs have not proven to be the perfect people to team up with. So maybe we should learn a lesson or two from history? In my opinion, one of the most venomous aspects of my country's foreign policy is the strong reliance on Arabs.

And last, if all the above is not enough, I offer my apologies to any Arab who might be reading this. I stand in awe of their deep-rooted culture. And our historical clashes bring me nothing but sorrow.

Actually, some of my own countrymen in south-western provinces are of Arab descent. I have many friends among them, and have enjoyed their hospitality on several occasions. They're honest, courageous, and extremely patriotic.

@Crocodile: Only you could make me say all that! A racist is the last thing I could be, hand on my heart.

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

First, they're not a race. [..] So, my statement wasn't a racy one. [..] A racist is the last thing I could be, hand on my heart.

Wow! With that kind of words play you could do a fair politician. So, based on what you said, I can safely say something like French are this bad and that bad, and I won't be racist, because French is not a race. Ok, so if you insist on the strict meaning of that word, your statement wasn't racist, but chauvinistic. Would your really prefer a chauvinist over a racist? I don't really see much practical difference.

To tell the truth, Persians is a nation like any other nations with some of the Persians reliable and others are not. Also, when it comes to the foreign politics only rare nations perhaps could boast reliability in alliances.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

So, based on what you said, I can safely say something like French are this bad and that bad, and I won't be racist, because French is not a race.

This argument, despite being impressive and eloquent, is not "based on what I said". What I said was not "Arabs are this bad and that bad". My point was very specific: the history of our political relationships. Generalizing this to a racist manifest must have taken a fair amount of creativity.

Accusing people of racism is easy. I understand that it can be great fun. Yet I have always stayed away from this kind of pleasure.

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

1. What I said was not "Arabs are this bad and that bad". My point was very specific: the history of our political relationships.
2. although, if they are Arab, you can't be sure they won't change their minds at the last moment
3. Generalizing this to a racist manifest must have taken a fair amount of creativity.

Ok, so the ZOG theory (Zionist Occupation Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) is not a racist manifest at all. Just an insight into a certain political aspect.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Ok, so the ZOG theory (Zionist Occupation Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) is not a racist manifest at all. Just an insight into a certain political aspect.

is Jew a race?

Originally Posted by Misha Tal

[...] you got a whole lot of Arabs. Their opinion of Israel is well-known [although, if they are Arab, you can't be sure they won't change their minds at the last moment].

Ok, let's set aside our previous discussion which was more or less for lulz, and let me ask you a serious question. Based on Iran's history of its political relationships, of course.

If Arabs hate Israel and Arabs aren't to be trusted (as you insist based on their culture, history, or what not) then Israel is doing a right thing when it doesn't believe Arabs want the peace and does a wrong thing when it believes so. Would you agree with that?