Thread: Struggling for 2 years with cases!

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by Оля

в Москве - where? (She lives in Mosсow)
в Москву - to where? (She's going to Mosсow)

:P

А могла и Moskau написать...
Дойч форева :P

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by Niamh

Thanks for the breakdown of things. But somethings that we've done in class confuse me further. Like {forgive the lack of cyrillic characters} why can it be "v Moskve" and "v Moskvu"?

в Москве - where? (She lives in Moscow) prepositional case
в Москву - to where? (She's going to Moscow) accusitive case

just remember that movement to = accusative. поеду в москву.

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

just remember that movement to = accusative. поеду в москву.

Thank you! Is that the only way the accusative is used? Cause I remember with phonecalls we'd say "Mojhno Deanu" etc

Originally Posted by Niamh

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

just remember that movement to = accusative. поеду в москву.

Thank you! Is that the only way the accusative is used? Cause I remember with phonecalls we'd say "Mojhno Deanu" etc

There is an omitted verb there. The fact that the name is in the accusative makes it obvious that you want to talk to her. Perhaps the verb is 'позвать' in this context (like when you say 'врача!' ('[call a] doctor!') (acc.)) and the verb is omitted because it's obvious that you want the person who answers the phone to pozvat' Deanu, but Russians shorten that and keep the accusative name. It's obvious from the context, and it's only logical.

the subject of the sentence goes into the acc. but with motion towards a place also uses acc. i cant think of anymore exceptions off the top of my head, its a bit early

Originally Posted by Niamh

Hi there,

Could you please give me tips on how to use cases and simple ways of remembering their uses? I know their is a wealth of info online and in books but no matter how much I research- I continue to struggle!!

Reading, listening and constant exposure to them. Don't try to remember unless you have a brain like a computer...concentrate on recognizing them when you see them, very gradually they will start to sink in. There's no shortcut or easy way.

Hello,
Please give the spelling for спальня in the plural feminine inanimate.


Девочка любит спальн???. - The girl loves her bedrooms.

Thank you,

Scott

Hello,

To indicate masculine instrumental plural can автобус be used like in the second sentence?


Дети ездят в школу автобусом. - The children go to school by bus.
Дети ездят в школу автобусами. - The children go to school by buses.

If not, please give a simple sentence with автобусами in it.

Thank you,

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Hello,
Please give the spelling for спальня in the plural feminine inanimate.

"feminine inanimate" is unnecessary. Of course "спальня" is feminine inanimate. Instead of that you should point the case.

Originally Posted by fortheether

Девочка любит спальни. - The girl loves her bedrooms.

She has several bedrooms???

The sentense is very odd.

Originally Posted by fortheether

can автобус be used like in the second sentence?

No.

Дети ездят в школу на автобусе.

please give a simple sentence with автобусами in it

Старыми автобусами забит весь автобусный парк.
Завод гордится своими автобусами.
Можно с пересадками добраться автобусами до Серпухова, а оттуда на электричке до Москвы.

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by fortheether

Hello,
Please give the spelling for спальня in the plural feminine inanimate.

"feminine inanimate" is unnecessary. Of course "спальня" is feminine inanimate. Instead of that you should point the case.

Originally Posted by fortheether

Девочка любит спальни. - The girl loves her bedrooms.

She has several bedrooms???

Yes!

The sentence is very odd.

Please give a better sentence with спальни to indicate instrumental plural.

Thank you,

Scott

Is this sentence incorrect?

Дети ездят в школу автобусом. - The children go to school by bus.

Thank you,

Scott

Originally Posted by fortheether

Is this sentence incorrect?

Дети ездят в школу автобусом. - The children go to school by bus.

Thank you,

Scott

NOOO:

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by fortheether

can автобус be used like in the second sentence?

No.

Дети ездят в школу на автобусе.

please give a simple sentence with автобусами in it

Старыми автобусами забит весь автобусный парк.
Завод гордится своими автобусами.
Можно с пересадками добраться автобусами до Серпухова, а оттуда на электричке до Москвы.

Originally Posted by fortheether

Please give a better sentence with спальни to indicate instrumental plural.

Это большая, удобная квартира с двумя спальнями.

Originally Posted by Оля

Originally Posted by fortheether

Is this sentence incorrect?

Дети ездят в школу автобусом. - The children go to school by bus.

Thank you,

Scott

NOOO

I'm too nervous
Sorry, fortheether, that's because of my bad English I've read you question inattentive. It seemed to me that you asked "Is this sentence correct?"
So, YES, it is incorrect, sorry for my reaction

Дети ходят в школу пешком is correct, but why дети ездят в школу автобусом is not? Я езжу на работу автобусом. А иногда троллейбусом или маршруткой.
Ты как добираешься до работы? - Автобусом.
Ты на чём добираешься до работы? - На автобусе.

Originally Posted by JJ

Дети ходят в школу пешком is correct, but why дети ездят в школу автобусом is not?

Так тоже говорят, но гораздо реже, и обычно про одно лицо, а не про нескольких, которые едут из разных мест. Из данной фразы непонятно, что это за дети - из одной семьи (то есть выходят утром из одной квартиры, садятся в один автобус и едут) или имеются в виду вообще все дети, которые ходят в эту школу (тогда выражение "дети ездят в школу автобусом" звучит очень коряво).

"Я еду автобусом" в определенной ситуации звучит нормально, но в нейтральном предложении про детей это звучит немного странно, поэтому гораздо лучше сказать "на автобусе".

Можно сказать "автобусами" (обычно с глаголом "добираться"), но это в том случае, если по дороге человек пользуется несколькими автобусами и едет с пересадками. Бедные дети, им это надо? Пускай лучше ездят на автобусе.

из старого анекдота:

Дорогие отец, мама, дядя Вахтанг и тётя Нана! Пишет ваш Гиви. Я живу хорошо. Все мои однокурсники ездят в институт на автобусе, а я на Волге...

Дорогой Гиви! Мы все очень расстроились, когда получили твоё письмо! Твой отец никогда не позволит, чтобы его сын чувствовал, что он хуже других! Мы выслали тебе денег. Гиви, сынок, купи себе автобус!

[quote=Оля][quote="Оля":1rtabahb][quote=fortheether]Is this sentence incorrect?

Дети ездят в школу автобусом. - The children go to school by bus.

Thank you,

Scott[/quote]
NOOO[/quote]
I'm too nervous
Sorry, fortheether, that's because of my bad English I've read you question inattentive. It seemed to me that you asked "Is this sentence [b]correct[/b]?"
So, YES, it is incorrect, sorry for my reaction [/quote:1rtabahb]

No problem, I appreciate your help very much. It's very frustrating though. I got that sentence from page 60 of:

[url="http://www.amazon.com/Schaums-Outline-Russian-Grammar-Levine/dp/0070382387"]http://www.amazon.com/Schaums-Outline-R ... 0070382387[/url]

It seems it's one step forward and two steps back. Oh well.

Thank you,

Scott