Thread: Complex Verbal Forms

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Vesh

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

мне кажется - это одно и тоже.

I fish - Я ловлю рыбу (Я рыбачу) (регулярно)
I catch a fish -Я ловлю одну рыбку. (регулярно)(does not make much sense)
I catch the fish -Я ловлю эту рыбку.(регулярно) {Зачем ловить одну и ту же рыбу несколько раз? }

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Vesh

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

мне кажется - это одно и тоже.

Nope. "To fish" = "Рыбачить". "To catch a fish" = "Поймать рыбу". "Поймать рыбу" != "Ловить рыбу".

Ты прав, но в целом, "рыбачить" является подмножеством "ловить рыбу". Ну или почти подмножеством.

Но в английском языке "Поймать рыбу" = "Ловить рыбу". Типа "The fish is caught". Зависит от обстоятельств, для перевода.

Originally Posted by Milanya

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Vesh

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

мне кажется - это одно и тоже.

I fish - Я ловлю рыбу (Я рыбачу) (регулярно)
I catch a fish -Я ловлю одну рыбку. (регулярно)(does not make much sense)
I catch the fish -Я ловлю эту рыбку.(регулярно) {Зачем ловить одну и ту же рыбу несколько раз? }

fish = is plural. There is no "a fish". But some uneducated English-speakers do the same mistake.

Последнее выражение вполне нормально. Я ловлю эту рыбу уже всю свою жизнь, никак поймать не могу.

[quote=Pioner]

Originally Posted by Milanya

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by "Vesh":221dvwrd

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

мне кажется - это одно и тоже.

I fish - Я ловлю рыбу (Я рыбачу) (регулярно)
I catch a fish -Я ловлю одну рыбку. (регулярно)(does not make much sense)
I catch the fish -Я ловлю эту рыбку.(регулярно) {Зачем ловить одну и ту же рыбу несколько раз? }

fish = is plural. There is no "a fish". But some uneducated English-speakers do the same mistake.

Последнее выражение вполне нормально. Я ловлю эту рыбу уже всю свою жизнь, никак поймать не могу.[/quote:221dvwrd]

IMHO, The plural of fish is either "fish" or "fishes". The following sentences have the same meaning.
There are fishes in the pond.
There are fish in the pond.

"to catch a fish" is the not the same as "to fish"
"I caught a fish" is NOT the same as "I fished"

[quote=kwatts59][quote=Pioner]

Originally Posted by Milanya

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by "Rtyom":25ml0w22

Originally Posted by "Vesh":25ml0w22

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

мне кажется - это одно и тоже.

I fish - Я ловлю рыбу (Я рыбачу) (регулярно)
I catch a fish -Я ловлю одну рыбку. (регулярно)(does not make much sense)
I catch the fish -Я ловлю эту рыбку.(регулярно) {Зачем ловить одну и ту же рыбу несколько раз? }

fish = is plural. There is no "a fish". But some uneducated English-speakers do the same mistake.

Последнее выражение вполне нормально. Я ловлю эту рыбу уже всю свою жизнь, никак поймать не могу.[/quote:25ml0w22]

IMHO, The plural of fish is either "fish" or "fishes". The following sentences have the same meaning.
There are fishes in the pond.
There are fish in the pond.

"to catch a fish" is the not the same as "to fish"
"I caught a fish" is NOT the same as "I fished"[/quote:25ml0w22]

Is there a limit on how many times we can quote each other?

Originally Posted by Pioner

fish = is plural. There is no "a fish". But some uneducated English-speakers do the same mistake.

That is simply incorrect. "Fish" can be either singular or plural. There is nothing wrong with "a fish" (so to speak). There is, however, a further plural; "fishes", which refers to more than one species of fish, in the same way that "people" and "peoples" are both plurals with different meanings. It's the plural that English speakers often have trouble with.

Incidentally, you don't "do" a mistake in English, you "make" one. Same word in Russian, different in English.

Originally Posted by scotcher

Originally Posted by Pioner

fish = is plural. There is no "a fish". But some uneducated English-speakers do the same mistake.

That is simply incorrect. "Fish" can be either singular or plural. There is nothing wrong with "a fish" (so to speak). There is, however, a further plural; "fishes", which refers to more than one species of fish, in the same way that "people" and "peoples" are both plurals with different meanings. It's the plural that English speakers often have trouble with.

Incidentally, you don't "do" a mistake in English, you "make" one. Same word in Russian, different in English.

Great! Now I got it, I was always confused. Thanks for corrections!

Yer welcome.

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Doldonius

Originally Posted by Pioner

I had caught the fish. = В этот момент я как раз поймал рыбу

Не "как раз", а "уже" поймал. That was an accomplished fact at the moment in the past one's speaking about, but we don't know for how exactly long it had been done. Might had been years, so "как раз" doesn't quite fit.

nope, by total grammatical rules you are probably right, but in general such form is not used, there is relation to the moment. Would be nice to hear native speakers.

Yep. Ladies and gentlemen, does Past Perfect imply that an action was completed immediately before a moment in the past?

[quote4zb0v9u]Pranki's variant sounds more exact to me. "Я собираюсь ловить рыбу", etc.

No. Imagine there is a big legendary fish in the lake, nobody can catch it. And one guy says: I am going to catch the bastard (fish).[/quote4zb0v9u]

Once again, it's context, context, context. Since there's no simple one to one correspondence between English and Russian tenses, context is vital here.

[quote4zb0v9u][quote4zb0v9u]The fish was going to be caught. = рыбу бы поймали (depends on context can be different phrase, nothing comes to my mind right now)

"Рыбу уже почти поймали", maybe.[/quote4zb0v9u]
No, translate backwards, and you will get: The fish was almost caught.[/quote4zb0v9u]

Yours would translate back into, "The fish would have been caught". There's just no relevant grammatical pattern in Russian I think.

Besides, back translation is not a way to test validity of a translation. It just doesn't work like maths. Any time you try to cram a text into grammatical and lexical structure of a different language, some shades of meaning are lost, some added, some distorted. Remember "The invisible idiot"?