Thread: Complex Verbal Forms

Would someone be kind enough to translate these sentences into Russian, so I can better understand how complex verbal forms work? I'm just gonna start with the very simple, so some of these might be dumb (like how could he not know that?!?!?), but I just wanna make sure everything is right. Thanks!

I am catching the fish.

I was catching the fish.

I will be catching the fish.


I have caught the fish.

I had caught the fish.

I will have caught the fish.


I am going to catch the fish.

I was going to catch the fish.

I will be going to catch the fish.


I would be catching the fish, if....

I would have caught the fish, if....

I would be going to catch the fish, if....


The fish is caught.

The fish was caught.

The fish will be caught.


The fish is being caught.

The fish was being caught.

The fish will be being caught.


The fish has been caught.

The fish had been caught, when....

The fish will have been caught.


The fish is going to be caught.

The fish was going to be caught.

The fish will be going to be caught.

Can't really help on Russian translation, but I think these are kinda strange in English:

I will be going to catch the fish.
I would be going to catch the fish, if....
The fish will be going to be caught.
The fish will be being caught.

Unless you mean going as in to someplace as in:
I will be going there to catch the fish
I would be going there to catch the fish
The fish will be going there to be caught.

and the "will be being caught" thing just seemed kinda strange...so I found this:
http://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/fut ... nuous.html
(look at the bottom)

apparently, it's not very common.

Yeah..some of those sounded strange to me too. It's just that I had list of a bunch of english expressions like that and they were on there...i just wanted to see how stuff like that translated into russian

Russian does not have the same complecated tense structure, so we have to add some обстоятельство времени for underlining the meaning which you can omit quite often, depending on contex it will be understandable, anyhow I will add them in brackets.

Originally Posted by saibot

Would someone be kind enough to translate these sentences into Russian, so I can better understand how complex verbal forms work? I'm just gonna start with the very simple, so some of these might be dumb (like how could he not know that?!?!?), but I just wanna make sure everything is right. Thanks!

I am catching the fish. = Я (сейчас) ловлю рыбу

I was catching the fish. = Я (в это время) ловил рыбу

I will be catching the fish. = Я (в это время) буду ловить рыбу


I have caught the fish. = Я поймал рыбу

I had caught the fish. = В этот момент я как раз поймал рыбу

I will have caught the fish. = К тому моменту я поймаю рыбу


I am going to catch the fish. = Я буду ловить рыбу / Я поймаю рыбу

I was going to catch the fish. = Я собирался ловить рыбу

I will be going to catch the fish. = Я буду ловить рыбу (future in the future does not exist in Russian )


I would be catching the fish, if.... = я бы ловил рыбу, если...

I would have caught the fish, if.... = я бы поймал рыбу, если...

I would be going to catch the fish, if.... = я бы пошел ловить рыбу, если...


The fish is caught. = рыба поймана

The fish was caught. = рыба была поймана

The fish will be caught. = рыбу поймают / рыба будет поймана (rarely used)


The fish is being caught. = ммм... рыбу прямо сейчас ловят

The fish was being caught. = в этот момент рыбу ловили

The fish will be being caught. = в тот момент рыбу будут ловить


The fish has been caught. = рыбу поймали

The fish had been caught, when.... = рыбу поймали, когда... (только рыбу поймали, и в этот момент...)

The fish will have been caught. = к этому моменту как раз поймают рыбу


The fish is going to be caught. = рыбу поймают

The fish was going to be caught. = рыбу бы поймали (depends on context can be different phrase, nothing comes to my mind right now)

The fish will be going to be caught. = рыбу поймают (future in the future)

"ну, барин Вы задачки задаете".

ловить рыбу можно в некоторых случаях легк заменить глаголом "рыбачить".

многие из приведенных фраз is total nonsense in Russian, but grammatically I did my best.

I can be wrong because my English isn't so good.

Originally Posted by saibot

I am catching the fish.

Я ловлю рыбу.

I was catching the fish.

Я ловил рыбу.

I will be catching the fish.

Я буду ловить рыбу

I have caught the fish.

Я поймал рыбу.

I had caught the fish.

Я поймал рыбу

I will have caught the fish.

Я поймаю рыбу

I am going to catch the fish.

Я собираюсь ловить рыбу

I was going to catch the fish.

Я собирался ловить рыбу

I will be going to catch the fish.

Я буду собираться (or собирусь) ловить рыбу (very strange for me)

I would be catching the fish, if....

Я бы ловил рыбу, если...

I would have caught the fish, if....

Я бы поймал рыбу, если...

I would be going to catch the fish, if....

Я бы собирался ловить рыбу, если...

The fish is caught.

???

The fish was caught.

Рыба поймана (Рыбу поймали)

The fish will be caught.

Рыбу поймают (Рыба будет поймана)

Дальше нет времени писать, да и предложения дальше какие-то странные идут

спасибо большое!

You guys are such a great help! Unlike some people. *cough* kalinka_vinnie *cough*

why you guys do not like each other?

and BTW, he is not Russian.

lol..no he's cool. I just like to pick on him....it makes me feel powerful.

wow, powerfull Cheburashka. Should be a very special creature.

whooooo!

могущественный чебурашка!

Like the way that sounds.

Originally Posted by Pioner

I had caught the fish. = В этот момент я как раз поймал рыбу

Не "как раз", а "уже" поймал. That was an accomplished fact at the moment in the past one's speaking about, but we don't know for how exactly long it had been done. Might had been years, so "как раз" doesn't quite fit.

I am going to catch the fish. = Я буду ловить рыбу / Я поймаю рыбу

Pranki's variant sounds more exact to me. "Я собираюсь ловить рыбу", etc.

The fish is caught. = рыба поймана

Hmm. Rather, "рыба ловится". But you won't always find a good Passive Voice equivalent. Usually, native speakers prefer impersonal sentences such as "Рыбу ловят" instead.

The fish was going to be caught. = рыбу бы поймали (depends on context can be different phrase, nothing comes to my mind right now)

"Рыбу уже почти поймали", maybe. Nevertheless, it's really hard indeed to make up a sensible Russian phrase with a similar meaning.

Originally Posted by saibot

whooooo!

могущественный чебурашка!

Like the way that sounds.

Or чебурешка! (small чебурек)

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Originally Posted by Pioner

that is a simple case

I catch fish = я ловлю рыбу регулярно (каждую субботу скажем), но сейчас я сижу на диване и пью пиво
I am catching fish = прямо сейчас я сижу и ловлю рыбу, заткнись идиот, ты мне весь улов распугаешь!

Nope.
I fish = я ловлю рыбу регулярно (каждую субботу скажем), но сейчас я сижу на диване и пью пиво
I am fishing = прямо сейчас я сижу и ловлю рыбу, заткнись идиот, ты мне весь улов распугаешь.

Originally Posted by Vesh

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Vesh

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Vesh

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

мне кажется - это одно и тоже.

Originally Posted by Doldonius

Originally Posted by Pioner

I had caught the fish. = В этот момент я как раз поймал рыбу

Не "как раз", а "уже" поймал. That was an accomplished fact at the moment in the past one's speaking about, but we don't know for how exactly long it had been done. Might had been years, so "как раз" doesn't quite fit.

nope, by total grammatical rules you are probably right, but in general such form is not used, there is relation to the moment. Would be nice to hear native speakers.

[quote16y4tp3]I am going to catch the fish. = Я буду ловить рыбу / Я поймаю рыбу

Pranki's variant sounds more exact to me. "Я собираюсь ловить рыбу", etc.[/quote16y4tp3]
No. Imagine there is a big legendary fish in the lake, nobody can catch it. And one guy says: I am going to catch the bastard (fish).

[quote16y4tp3]The fish is caught. = рыба поймана

Hmm. Rather, "рыба ловится". But you won't always find a good Passive Voice equivalent. Usually, native speakers prefer impersonal sentences such as "Рыбу ловят" instead.[/quote16y4tp3]
Your variant is fine as well, depending on context.

[quote16y4tp3]The fish was going to be caught. = рыбу бы поймали (depends on context can be different phrase, nothing comes to my mind right now)

"Рыбу уже почти поймали", maybe. Nevertheless, it's really hard indeed to make up a sensible Russian phrase with a similar meaning.[/quote16y4tp3]
No, translate backwards, and you will get: The fish was almost caught.

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Vesh

Originally Posted by Rtyom

Originally Posted by Vesh

Am I wrong? Or am I wrong?

To catch a fish != To fish.

So, "I'm catching a fish", is not "Я ловлю рыбу." It's, "Я наxожусь в процессе поимки рыбы." Or, to make it sound Russian, "Я вываживаю рыбу".

Это уже расшифровка смысла. "Я ловлю рыбу" приемлимо.

Мне кажется, что неприемлемо. "Ловить рыбу" = "Рыбачить" = "To fish" != "To catch a fish" Могу, конечно, ошибаться.

мне кажется - это одно и тоже.

Nope. "To fish" = "Рыбачить". "To catch a fish" = "Поймать рыбу". "Поймать рыбу" != "Ловить рыбу".

More context needed.