Thread: Chapter 17 questions

In this chapter there is a dialogue I have a couple of questions about. This is the end of the dialogue:

Продващица: Вы купаете шапку для себя?
Алексей: Нет, для сына.
П: По-моему, ему больше понравится чёрная.
А: Хорошо, дайте черную. Я её куплю.
П: Пожалуйста. Заплатите в кассу.

There is an e, not an ё in the last черную. Is that a typo is there a grammatical reason for it?

Also why is кассу is the accusative and not the prepositional case? I would think she is saying "Pay at the cash register" not "to the cash register". Or is this idiomatic?

Thanks,
Z

ё can be types as е. But usually it also typed ё or also typed e.

Заплатите в кассу means pay cash and it will go into the cash register as machinery. {куда?}
You can say заплатите в кассе, here в кассе means the place where to pay. {где?}

Dmitry,

Thanks.

This is an excercise I'm having trouble with. This is another exercise where I need to choose between the imperfective and perfective aspects.

понимать/понять

а. Я не (understand), почему он хочет купить такой дорогой костюм.
б. --Вы (understood)?
--Нет, не (understood). Повторите, пожалуйста.
в. --По-моему, Боря не (understood), что я сказал.
--Да, но повторите ещё раз, и он (will understand).
г. Когда экскурсовод говорила медленно, туристы (understood) всё, что она говорила.

These are my answers:
а. понимаю
б. поняли, понял
в. понял, поймёт
г. понимали

Are any of these right?

Thanks,
Z

1. correct; also you can say "не могу понять" = "can't understand", "не понимаю" = "don't understand"
2. correct, if a person just said a sentence and asking is it clear; if someone is explaining something to you and action isn't finished, you can say "Вы понимаете?" "Нет, не понимаю".
3. correct, here it is definitely past tense, because "that I said" at the end.
4. correct

Oh, sh.it there is the tense in the words But I think my information will be useful, so I didn't delete it.

Dmitry,

Yes, it is useful.

Another one I'm not sure of:

(по)советовать

Мне всегда (advised) бросить курить.

I think it has to be советовали but is the sense here: "People have always told me to quit smoking"?

Thanks,
Z

Originally Posted by zorro

Dmitry,

Yes, it is useful.

Another one I'm not sure of:

(по)советовать

Мне всегда (advised) бросить курить.

I think it has to be советовали but is the sense here: "People have always told me to quit smoking"?

Thanks,
Z

You are right.

Мне всегда советовали бросить курить. (They always did it again and again. - imperfective.)

Thanks, it-ogo.

Some more questions from the same chapter. These are translation exercises.

1. Please show me the light blue blouse.
Which one? This one?
No, on the left of the brown one.

--Покажите мне пожалуйста вот эту головую блузку.
--Какую? Эту? (Does this need to be in the accusative because it refers to блузку?)
--Нет, слева от коричневой.

2. Where's Misha?
He's gone to the store to buy a shirt and a sweater.
For his father?
No, for his brother. He'll return at four o'clock.

--Где Миша?
--Он пошёл в магазин покупать рубашку и свитер.
--Для отца?
--Нет, для брата. Он вернётся в четыре часа.

Here I'm not sure if the verbs should be in the imperfective or perfective.

Thanks,
Z

How about this one?

Olga went to the store, there bought a skirt, blouse, and shoes and after that went to a movie.
Ольга ходила в магазин, там купила юбку, блузку и туфли и после этого пошла в кино.

I'm not sure about imperfective/perfective here.

Thanks,
Z

Originally Posted by zorro

Ольга ходила в магазин, там купила юбку, блузку и туфли и после этого пошла в кино.

Perfect one.

Thanks, iCake.

Any help on the other two questions? (post #7)?

Z

Originally Posted by zorro

These are translation exercises.

1. Please show me the light blue blouse.
Which one? This one?
No, on the left of the brown one.

--Покажите мне пожалуйста ГОЛУБУЮ блузку.

--Какую? Эту? (Does this need to be in the accusative because it refers to блузку? - yes, Accusative!)

--Нет, ТУ, КОТОРАЯ слева от коричневой.

2. Where's Misha?
He's gone to the store to buy a shirt and a sweater.
For his father?
No, for his brother. He'll return at four o'clock.

--Где Миша?
--Он пошёл в магазин покупать рубашку и свитер.
--Для отца?
--Нет, для брата. Он вернётся в четыре часа.

Here I'm not sure if the verbs should be in the imperfective or perfective. --


Thanks,
Z

The second dialog is translated very well, excellent job! You can use either the imperfective form "покупать" (to emphasize the very process of buying - choosing, comparing etc.), or the perfective form "купить"(to just name a one-time act of buying).

Thank you, Yulia,

These are some more translations from the same chapter. I'm still not sure about imperfective/perfective.

1. We will go the the GUM, buy a present and then go to see Ivan Aleksandrovich.

Мы пойдём в ГУМ, купим подарок и потом пойдём к ивану Александровичу.

2. Where were you this morning?
I went to the store.

Где ты была сегодня утром?
Я ходила в магазин.

3. What happened in class today?
The professor had a cold and couln't talk.

Что случилось на задании сегодня?
Профессор простужен и не мог говорить.

Thanks again for your help,
Z

на занятии/в классе
на задании sounds like "on the mission"
простудился - past tense
Профессор простудился и не мог говорить/Профессор простужен и не может говорить

Olga went to the store, there bought a skirt, blouse, and shoes and after that went to a movie.
Ольга ходила в магазин, там купила юбку, блузку и туфли и после этого пошла в кино.

I'm not sure about imperfective/perfective here.

This sentence makes sense, but it's better to have ALL verbs in perfect. That is, one needs to change 'ходила' to 'сходила'
Ольга сходила в магазин, там купила юбку, блузку и туфли и после этого пошла в кино.

Thanks,

Some more questions. Here I need to put the names in the dative. I'm not sure if these last names are treated as adjectives.

К кому вы идёте сегодня вечером? (товарищ Жуковский).
Я иду к товарищу Жуковскому.

К кому вы ходили вчера вечером? (Анна Жуковская)
Я ходил к Анне Жуковской.

Thank you,
Z

Originally Posted by zorro

К кому вы идёте сегодня вечером? (товарищ Жуковский).
Я иду к товарищу Жуковскому.

К кому вы ходили вчера вечером? (Анна Жуковская)
Я ходил к Анне Жуковской.

Всё верно.

Thanks Milanya,

This is a sentence in an exercise, so I assume it's correct: Что ты посоветуешь мне подарить отцу? I understand it as, "What do you suggest I give (as a present) to my father?"
How can посоветуешь be in the perfective if it's the present tense? Or is it not?

What about these translations?
1. --How much does a good cap cost?
--Ninety rubles.
--That's too much.

--Сколько стоит хорошая шапка?
--Девятносто рублей.
--Это слушком дорогой. Should this be neuter or feminine?

2. --Where were you this morning?
--I went to the store.

--Где ты была сегодня вечером?
--Я ходила в магазин. Is ходила correct?

One more question: This is a sentence from the book. Я думаю, что я куплю ему галстук. Is the second я necessary here? It seems in most sentences like this, the subject isn't repeated.

Thanks for your help,
Z

Originally Posted by zorro

Thanks Milanya,

This is a sentence in an exercise, so I assume it's correct: Что ты посоветуешь мне подарить отцу? I understand it as, "What do you suggest I give (as a present) to my father?"
How can посоветуешь be in the perfective if it's the present tense? Or is it not?

посоветуешь is future. Literally "What will you suggest..."


--Сколько стоит хорошая шапка?
--Девяносто рублей.
--Это слишком дорого. Дорого is an adverb. Adverbs have no gender.

--Где ты была сегодня вечером?
--Я ходила в магазин. Is ходила correct?
OK

One more question: This is a sentence from the book. Я думаю, что я куплю ему галстук. Is the second я necessary here? It seems in most sentences like this, the subject isn't repeated.

It is a complex sentence actually. It consists of 2 clauses, each has its own subject (even if it is the same word.)

But in that example each of "я" can be omitted or even both of them. "Думаю, что куплю ему галстук." is OK. Because "думаю" and "куплю" have first person forms so the meaning is clear.

This is a sentence from the book. Я думаю, что я куплю ему галстук.

I believe that in this case, it would also be possible to say Я думаю купить ему галстук. (That is, with an infinitive after думаю, instead of a future-tense verb.)

It's like "I'm thinking of buying him a necktie," although in English we don't normally use an infinitive after "think".

Why can't you say in English "I'm thinking to buy him a tie"?
Of course you can say it. It's not very literary but it makes perfect sense and doesn't violate any grammar rules.