"Онабра ла ту книжку из библиотеки."
Это означает ли "Она отдала ту книжку в библиотеку" т.е. "та книжка уже у ее нет" ?
A couple of reference books say she took the book from the library and returned it back to the library because of the imperfective verb.
But as far as I heard, sometimes yes and some times no, namely, she may still keep the book.
What is the correct answer?
I think it means she's returned it.Originally Posted by Yuki
If you say "Она брала книжку в библиотеке" it means she took a book out the library and returned it. = "Она взяла книжку в библиотеке и потом ее вернула."
"Она взяла книжку в библиотеке" = she's taken the book from the library and still has it.
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Она брала эту книжку в библиотеке.
Она взяла эту книжку в библиотеке.
"Из библиотеки" is wrong in this sentence.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
Nope.
Я знаю, что она брала книгу в библиотеке, но не знаю, вернула или нет.
Она взяла книгу в библиотеке, прочитала и вернула.
Налево пойдёшь - коня потеряешь, направо пойдёшь - сам голову сложишь.
Прямой путь не предлагать!
Thank you for your correction!
It seems OK to say "Она взяла эту книжку из библиотеки."
If so, then why?
Почему? Вполне нормально.
Знчит, можно сказать "Она взяла книжку из библиотеки."?Почему? Вполне нормально.
Однако, немного проверил по интернету, и мне кажется, что
также говорят "Она взяла книжку из библиотеки."
Yes. But the most important difference between the verbs "брать" and "взять" is that "брать" answers to the question "что делать?" (Imperfective) and "взять" answers to the question "что сделать?" (Perfective).Так же можно сказать "Она взяла книжку из библиотеки."?
Normal is not good.
"Из библиотеки" is understandable and grammatically correct, but it's not a common way to say it.
So a deliberate change of preposition in this standard expression attracts attention and even can give an impression that the speaker hints at something (like he/she just "took" the book from the library without permission or something
I'd advise just to stick with "брал/взял в библиотеке".
Thank you very much for your further comment.Yes. But the most important difference between the verbs "брать" and "взять" is that "брать" answers to the question "что делать?" (Imperfective) and "взять" answers to the question "что сделать?" (Perfective).Так же можно сказать "Она взяла книжку из библиотеки."?
My summary is as follows:
Она брала книжку в библиотеке.
(Generally correct)
Она брала книжку из библиотеки.
(Some people think this is incorrect.)
Она взяла книжку в библиотеке.
(Generally correct)
Она взяла книжку из библиотеки.
(Generally correct according to my Internet checking.)
The above second sentence issue may be related to the aspect issue.
I see. Thank you for your advice. I do not intend to steal....Normal is not good.
"Из библиотеки" is understandable and grammatically correct, but it's not a common way to say it.
So a deliberate change of preposition in this standard expression attracts attention and even can give an impression that the speaker hints at something (like he/she just "took" the book from the library without permission or something
I'd advise just to stick with "брал/взял в библиотеке".
How about the following example?
Стивен Кинг.ру - Творчество Стивена Кинга - Темная Башня 5. Волки ...
Сразу бросается в глаза : Отец Каллаган взял книгу из библиотеки для того, чтобы взять дальше с собой во второй прыжок. И уж конечно, не для того, чтоб оставить ее для развлекательного чтения Эдди.
Yuki, your all sentences are correct.
This is a perfect example of a poor translation. Seriously. "Взял... чтобы взять".
No, no, no! It's WRONG (or at least it's a bad style). *wails in despair*Она взяла книжку из библиотеки.
(Generally correct according to my Internet checking.)
Internet checking gives you some hits, but most of them use this expression in another context (or just not very good Russian).
For example, "Я взяла книгу из отцовской библиотеки" is correct. It means she took a book from her father's collection of books, not from a real library (an organisation, that lends books).
This one is ok too: "Я взял несколько книг из "Библиотеки программиста": the guy took some books from the Programmer library series (i.e. again a collection of books of some kind).
Talking about electronic libraries (collections of books, icons, smileys, etc.) people also often use "взять из библиотеки".
Come on, Cocos. They are grammatically correct and more or less ok, sure, but they are not equally good. Stop confusing poor learners.
On the second thought... Who cares?
You can use both and you'll be understood.
Just keep in mind that "из библиотеки" focuses more on the fact that you physically take an item from the library (take it out from the building, for example), while "в библиотеке" is more about using library services (the fact that the book is not your own). Often these two meanings mingle together.
That's how I see it.
Well, I think, you are right and I am not!Come on, Cocos. They are grammatically correct and more or less ok, sure, but they are not equally good. Stop confusing poor learners.
Thank you very much for your helpful comment. I feel your comment is quite suitable. ( I spent some time in Russia and remember life to some extent.)On the second thought... Who cares?
You can use both and you'll be understood.
Just keep in mind that "из библиотеки" focuses more on the fact that you physically take an item from the library (take it out from the building, for example), while "в библиотеке" is more about using library services (the fact that the book is not your own). Often these two meanings mingle together.
That's how I see it.
...subtle but this is a very interesting topic. I never thought that the preposition could be a very difficult topic.....
Sorry for my <Oil in Oil>. Just one more.
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Отправлено 03 мая 2007 г. 23:18цитировать. Варианта моего ответа здесь нет. Первый раз я взял книгу из библиотеки, и это была книга Уэллса "Человек-невидимка". Затем были другие книги Уэллса, Обручев, Толстой, Беляев и пошло-поехало.
You're welcome.
Yes, it can be tricky and really hard to explain. Moreover, there's often a disagreement among native speakers about a preferable variant, because every person has a unique manner of speech and probably imagine different contexts....subtle but this is a very interesting topic. I never thought that the preposition could be a very difficult topic.....
You'll see that "в/из" (and "взять в/из") can be used in similar phrases and in the certain context can mean roughly the same (the nuances differ, though).
Ex. "Я взял сок в холодильнике" ~ "Я взял сок из холодильника"
You're welcome.
Yes, it can be tricky and really hard to explain. Moreover, there's often a in the certain context can mean roughly the same (the nuances differ, though)....subtle but this is a very interesting topic. I never thought that the preposition could be a very difficult topic.....
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Ex. "Я взял сок в холодильнике" ~ "Я взял сок из холодильника"
One more question
Она брала книгу в библиотеке.
In case this sentence implies she returned the book to the library, she just read it in the library and did not take it out the library?
Given that context, I would say that she did take it out of the library.
Why do you ask this question? Is it that somebody told you that she might not, after all, take that book out of the library? If they did, they might have in mind different context.
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