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Thread: Грамматические трудности в русском языке, в том числе и для носителей языка

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    "езжайте".
    Обсуждение на grmota.ru: Езжай
    Не так просты эти грамматические трудности.
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    Налево пойдёшь - коня потеряешь, направо пойдёшь - сам голову сложишь.
    Прямой путь не предлагать!

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    поезжай sounds too pompous.
    In real life, people say едь, едьте.
    The normative language, as always, lives in its own parallel universe.

    Also, поезжай has a narrower meaning: ‘start moving’. You can’t use it when your addressee is already moving.
    E.g. «Не едь так быстро» — “Don’t drive so fast”
    *«Не поезжай так быстро» is impossible.

    #78
    BTW in Russian, we use the № sign for ‘number’, not #.
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    https://instagram.com/rus_yaz?igshid=1em0iuq4hxvbf

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    https://instagram.com/kak_gramotno?igshid=nokj4q0nizqp

    Говорите и пишите грамотно

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    https://instagram.com/slovo_v_karman...=161q68l7mvetf

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    https://instagram.com/gramota.s.karl...=13ryj820l95ak

    Рифма помогает с ударениями.
    Помогает чаще, чем нет. (Смотри ниже).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lampada View Post
    Рифма помогает с ударениями.
    Sure it does!
    Poetry is one of the main direct sources of the history of the Russian word stress before the invention of sound recording (the other being accentuated texts; there are also indirect ones like writers’ spelling mistakes and relationships between word forms in contemporary language).

    While reading XIX century poetry, for example, we often encounter unusually stressed words.

    Печной горшок тебе дороже:
    Ты пищу в нем себе вари́шь.

    (Пушкин, 1828 г.)

    День прошёл — царица во́пит,
    А дитя волну торопит…

    (Пушкин, 1831 г.)

    Лягушка во́пит без умолку…
    (Крылов, 1814 г.)

    Оглянуться не успела,
    Как зима кати́т в глаза.

    (Крылов, 1808 г.)

    In most cases, it’s not an intentional violating of the stress norms (licentia роetiса), but rather the normal way to pronounce the word in that time. After all, Pushkin and Krylov were brilliant poets and they could choose words that match the rhythm flawlessly.

    This shows us that the norms are changing. A language will never stop changing unless it’s extinct. Instagram channels like this can’t do anything with this natural process.

    For a language learner, however, such Instagram channels prove useful in a certain way. If they say, for instance, that то́рты is the only correct way to pronounce it, be sure, both ways are used by native speakers, so you don’t have to remember the stress in this particular word!
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