You should definitely consider taking Ukrainian. I think you'd find it would help to some extent to learn Russian -- that's certainly not to say they're extremely close and it would be a piece of cake for you to switch to Russian, but it would help you. I'm just surprised that you can take Ukrainian and NOT Russian. Very odd. That's like offering, oh, Portuguese and not Spanish or something.
Заранее благодарю всех за исправление ошибок в моём русском.
I think i'm tossing up between Spanish or German now.
I think learning Ukrainian would be pointless because i don't see myself going there. Also i come from a Croatian background and have learnt some basic Russian and it comes easy to me since it's slavic.
I want to backpack around Europe and i think German would be handy to know, although it looks like a hard language and there are many German tourists (Studying Tourism and Communcations) it might be beneficial for me. On the other hand Spanish is more widely spoken throughout the world and looks easier to learn, which is a plus since the course i'm taking is a dual degree, it would also help me out for the tourism job aspect however i don't see myself going to Latin America.
Hmm what to choose
Да, я тожо!I think i'm tossing up between Spanish or German now.
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КАГ ТАГ???Originally Posted by TATY
"О сколько нам открытий чудных готовит просвещенья дух..." У меня просто не хватает слов. (Edited. L.) The new theory about russians... Listen to me - Russians came from Kiev and it's historical fact - we had the same language then, just answer a question - why Russians took a language from South Slavs, like you affirm in your (Edited. L.) theory??? Or why the Ukrainian become the East Slavonic if it was the SOUTH SLAVONIC becouse it was the same with Russian??? The development of new languages could be only in two directions - the North and South dialects of ONE language whatever you said - either South or East Slavonic dialects.
I have the just one explanation you consider Ukrainian as the East Slavonic and Russian as the South Slavonic - the Ukrainian is POLONIZED dialect of the Russian. And it become more and more polonized. Just add one more thousand polish words and it will be a new East Slavonic language.
Everything above is based on your theory. Now lets work at your mistakes:
1. East Slavonic Group - Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian, Rusin, Old Russian.
2. West Slavonic Group - Polish, Kashub, Czech, Slovak.
3. South Slavonic Group - Bulgarian, Makedoniad, Serbo-Croatian, old Slavonic, Church Slavonic.
In very moment the Ukrainian language is pulling to the West Slavonic by adding polish vocabular.
It's a very big diffrence. Kinda "the American is another language becouse they say 'trunk', 'apartment' and 'soccer'". By the way, " the foreign influence" you mentioned was Piter the 1st.The months nicely illustrate the foreign influence on Russian. Ukrainian retained the old Slavonic months, Russian would have once had similar names. Now Russian (like Serbian, Bulgarian) have the Latin names similar to the English January, February.
But it doesnt make a language! In my town a lot of people say "плотят", "уплочено" instead of "платят", "уплачено", everybody say "чё" instead of "что", the old generation could say "жуланчик" - синица, "вёдро" - хорошая солнечная погода, "нынче", "шибко"... + wide used the diffrent way of plural form like - тополЯ, соболЯ, серверА, тракторА, and we dont have so called "new vocative case" so what? Do we have the Urals language?Also I can think of plenty of example where Russian and Polish are the same, and Ukrainian is different:
Russian: Он, Она, Оно, Они
Polish: On, Ona, Ono, Oni
Ukrainian: Він, Вона, Воно, Вони
English: Language
Russian: Язык
Polish: Język
Ukrainian: Мова
Belarusian: Мова
BTW, мова is a distorted word "молва" - "(раз)говор", it means that they considered their so-called "languages" as "говор" - a local dialect.
You westerners sometimes are like (Edited. L.). When I'm talking to you I see that the USSR was not destroyed, it was just moved to the West.
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You forgot that Russian too has the word место that is used sometimes reffering to a city or a villige or so.
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hahaha
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
I'm gonna burst your bubble big time now, TATY:
Russian: мястечко (=small town)
Russian: молва, молвить
Say bye-bye to your useless theories. Mwahahahahahahaha. Learn Russian as she is spoke, TATY.
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Couldn't've said it better.
Show yourself - destroy our fears - release your mask
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I'm gonna burst your bubble big time now, TATY:
Russian: мястечко (=small town)
Russian: молва, молвить
Say bye-bye to your useless theories. Mwahahahahahahaha. Learn Russian as it is spoken, TATY.
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You'll have to forgive us, it's all the linguistic propaganda we are subjected to from birth. It's part of a great conspiracy to make the relationship between several slavic languages and dialects appear very slightly different from what is actually the case.
Yes, these roots are still preserved in other Russian words, so?
Surely some (Edited. L.) periodically invent crankpot theories that the Earth is flat, or that Einstein was wrong, or that Ukrainian is a somehow inferior (or artificially created) language, or a dialect of Russian. But what Taty is saying is simply an indisputable fact, and all of this has been quite well known long before anyone could even imagine Ukrainian independence. There is really very little to argue about here.
I know these words exist, I was just illustrating how in the different languages how they have taken on different connotations and usages. E.g. the word город exists in Ukrainian, but it means a garden or something. The Czech variant, Hrad, means castle, I believe.I'm gonna burst your bubble big time now, TATY:
Russian: мястечко (=small town)
Russian: молва, молвить
Say bye-bye to your useless theories. Mwahahahahahahaha. Learn Russian as she is spoke, TATY.
In fact it only supports my arguement, by showing how OLD roots are preserved in Russian in places, but newer words have replaced them in most cases.
The fact is, Ukrainian is a LANGUAGE, it's not a dialect of Russian. Dialects are mutually intelligle. British English and American English are dialects of the same language. I can understand everything an American says or writes, unless they use loads of slang. But slang isn't proper language.
If a Ukrainian who has never been taught Russian, and a Russian who knows no Ukrainian have a conversation, they won't be able to fully understand each other. Yes bits will be understandable. In writing it is a lot easier to understand. But there will still be words, phrases that render most of the sentences non-intelligle.
And it doesn't matter how this has been reached, that's just the way it is.
It's just what your are suggesting is complete rubbish; that loads of Ukrainian politicians thought 'We hate the Russians, let's make our language more Polish. Yeh! Как? I don't like that word. The Polish Jak sounds much better. Як! Да! No, not Да, we say Так now, like the Poles!"
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Укр. "город" = русс. "огород" = a vegetable garden
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I was saying Russian has been influenced by a South Slavonic language. Ukrainian has been influenced by a West Slavonic language.I have the just one explanation you consider Ukrainian as the East Slavonic and Russian as the South Slavonic - the Ukrainian is POLONIZED dialect of the Russian. And it become more and more polonized. Just add one more thousand polish words and it will be a new East Slavonic language.
Everything above is based on your theory. Now lets work at your mistakes:
1. East Slavonic Group - Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian, Rusin, Old Russian.
2. West Slavonic Group - Polish, Kashub, Czech, Slovak.
3. South Slavonic Group - Bulgarian, Makedoniad, Serbo-Croatian, old Slavonic, Church Slavonic.
The Ukrainian of today is more Russified than the Ukrainian of 100 years ago. You can see this by comparing the language of the Ukrainian diaspora, those who left Ukraine 80-100 years ago. When they moved to the West they preserved the language largely in its then form. Today's Ukrainian is more similar to Russian than it was then. You seem to suggest some conspiracy currently going on in Kiev where Yushchenko and his cronies have a big Polish dictionary out and are choosing words to insert into Ukrainian to make it different to Russian.
Yes, Ukrainian might be a polonised version of a dialect of Russian, but this dialect has developed into a full seperate language, over a long period of time. Not 100 years. And the polonisation would have been natural due to being under Polish rule, and it's location next to Poland.
Languages tend to form a dialect gradiant. That is, language doesn't reach a border then suddenly change. Russian merges into Ukrainian which merges into Polish, which merges into Czech.
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First, Lampada, is a word 'idiot' more polite or apropriate in this discussion than the word I used in the end of my post - a 'zombie'?
Second, one of cheat methods to win a discussion is saying that theme is an "undisputable fact", and an opponent will always loose becouse the theme is "undisputable". TATY classified the East Slavonic Group like "Czech, Slovak, Polish, Sorbian, Kasubian" and adds Russian to South Slavonic Group. That's (Edited. L.)! So it means that TATY has no idea he's talking about. So do you.But what Taty is saying is simply an indisputable fact, and all of this has been quite well known long before anyone could even imagine Ukrainian independence. There is really very little to argue about here.
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Дискуссия приобретает неуместно грубый тон.
"...Важно, чтобы форум оставался местом, объединяющим людей, для которых интересны русский язык и культура. ..." - MasterАdmin (из переписки)
I made a mistake and wrote East instead of West. I'll correct it. I do know what I'm talking about, I just made a typo. And I didn't say Russian was South Slavic, I said it was heavily influenced by Old Church Slavonic, which was formed from Bulgarian, which is South Slavic.First, Lampada, is a word 'idiot' more polite or apropriate in this discussion than the word I used in the end of my post - a 'zombie'?
Second, one of cheat methods to win a discussion is saying that theme is an "undisputable fact", and an opponent will always loose becouse the theme is "undisputable". TATY classified the East Slavonic Group like "Czech, Slovak, Polish, Sorbian, Kasubian" and adds Russian to South Slavonic Group. That's (Edited. L.)! So it means that TATY has no idea he's talking about. So do you.But what Taty is saying is simply an indisputable fact, and all of this has been quite well known long before anyone could even imagine Ukrainian independence. There is really very little to argue about here.
Trying to discredit someone's language and people as not existing and being some political experiment is frankly very rude and disrespectful. You Russians need to accept you've lost your empire, and get over it, you've got enough other problems in your country to worry about.
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I agree, there is too much censorship on this forum.First, Lampada, is a word 'idiot' more polite or apropriate in this discussion than the word I used in the end of my post - a 'zombie'?
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Scotcher, your irony is out of place here. You cannot see the whole picture, becouse of your weak knowlage of Russian language and culture. What would you say if anyone from Honduras tried to discuss about the English influence into the Gaelic and classifide English you speak in the North like a diffrent language which came from Erin?
Calm down, dont you think it is not in your competence?
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