Thread: Ukrainian language similair to Russian?

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by scotcher

You'll have to forgive us, it's all the linguistic propaganda we are subjected to from birth. It's part of a great conspiracy to make the relationship between several slavic languages and dialects appear very slightly different from what is actually the case.

Scotcher, your irony is out of place here. You cannot see the whole picture, becouse of your weak knowlage of Russian language and culture. What would you say if anyone from Honduras tried to discuss about the English influence into the Gaelic and classifide English you speak in the North like a diffrent language which came from Erin?
Calm down, dont you think it is not in your competence?

Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.

I have never studied the history of the English language. If a foreigner has done, then he/she will know more about it than me. Just because I am a native English speaker doesn't make me an expert on the history of the English language.

Originally Posted by Remyisme

Learn Russian as it is spoken, TATY.

Learn idioms, Remyisme - it's Russian as she is spoke (sic!).

Originally Posted by TATY

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by laxxy

Yes, these roots are still preserved in other Russian words, so?
Surely some (Edited. L.) periodically invent ... that Ukrainian is a somehow inferior (or artificially created) language, or a dialect of Russian.

First, Lampada, is a word 'idiot' more polite or apropriate in this discussion than the word I used in the end of my post - a 'zombie'?

I agree, there is too much censorship on this forum.

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BTW,

Originally Posted by JJ

А вот что думают по этому поводу сами хохлы:

по-моему, называть кого-то кацапами, хохлами, жидами или ниггерами гораздо менее приемлемо в дискуссии, чем называть идиотами людей, которые пытаются защищать различные псевдонаучные теории. Приверженцев Фоменко, резуна или всяких торсионных полей я бы назвал аналогично.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Дискуссия приобретает неуместно грубый тон.

I am Russian so I should be rude and I should deny any form of tolerasty.

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by scotcher

You'll have to forgive us, it's all the linguistic propaganda we are subjected to from birth. It's part of a great conspiracy to make the relationship between several slavic languages and dialects appear very slightly different from what is actually the case.

Scotcher, your irony is out of place here. You cannot see the whole picture, becouse of your weak knowlage of Russian language and culture. What would you say if anyone from Honduras tried to discuss about the English influence into the Gaelic and classifide English you speak in the North like a diffrent language which came from Erin?
Calm down, dont you think it is not in your competence?

The irony is not out of place -- one does not need to know anything about Russian language to see the idea that Britons are somehow being brainwashed into believing some theory -- any theory -- on the genesis of Slavic languages as rather ridiculous

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by TATY

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by laxxy

Yes, these roots are still preserved in other Russian words, so?
Surely some (Edited. L.) periodically invent ... that Ukrainian is a somehow inferior (or artificially created) language, or a dialect of Russian.

First, Lampada, is a word 'idiot' more polite or appropriate in this discussion than the word I used in the end of my post - a 'zombie'?

I agree, there is too much censorship on this forum.

+
BTW,

Originally Posted by JJ

А вот что думают по этому поводу сами хохлы:

по-моему, называть кого-то кацапами, хохлами, жидами или ниггерами гораздо менее приемлемо в дискуссии, чем называть идиотами людей, которые пытаются защищать различные псевдонаучные теории. Приверженцев Фоменко, резуна или всяких торсионных полей я бы назвал аналогично.

Exactly, the Russians expect Ukraine to love and respect Russia, but Russians just look down on Ukrainians and use derogatory language to describe them. If you treat them like shit they are going to turn away from you.

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by laxxy

Yes, these roots are still preserved in other Russian words, so?
Surely some (Edited. L.) periodically invent ... that Ukrainian is a somehow inferior (or artificially created) language, or a dialect of Russian.

First, Lampada, is a word 'idiot' more polite or apropriate in this discussion than the word I used in the end of my post - a 'zombie'?

But what Taty is saying is simply an indisputable fact, and all of this has been quite well known long before anyone could even imagine Ukrainian independence. There is really very little to argue about here.

Second, one of cheat methods to win a discussion is saying that theme is an "undisputable fact", and an opponent will always loose becouse the theme is "undisputable". TATY classified the East Slavonic Group like "Czech, Slovak, Polish, Sorbian, Kasubian" and adds Russian to South Slavonic Group. That's (Edited. L.)! So it means that TATY has no idea he's talking about. So do you.

He did not qualify Russian as South Slavonic - he correctly noted that Russian was artificially subjected to South Slavonic (and later French) influences.
Some things are quite well established (by the Russian and Soviet linguists in the first place, who could hardly be accused in sympathy to Ukrainian nationalists), and trying to disprove that by presenting something as ridiculous as those links you gave is just about as smart as trying to prove that Earth is flat by measuring its' curvature with a ruler.

Originally Posted by TATY

Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.

True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by TATY

I agree, there is too much censorship on this forum.

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Я думаю, что вы шутите.

Originally Posted by TATY

Exactly, the Russians expect Ukraine to love and respect Russia, but Russians just look down on Ukrainians and use derogatory language to describe them.

In your dreams. Reality is, most Russians couldn't care less about Ukraine. I don't think many even know where it is. Another stereotype you should rid yourself of. Mwa-ha-ha-ha. As for "derogatory language", it exists on both sides, in case you didn't know.

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Originally Posted by TATY

Exactly, the Russians expect Ukraine to love and respect Russia, but Russians just look down on Ukrainians and use derogatory language to describe them.

In your dreams. Reality is, most Russians couldn't care less about Ukraine. I don't think many even know where it is. Another stereotype you should rid yourself of. Mwa-ha-ha-ha. As for "derogatory language", it exists on both sides, in case you didn't know.

Moskali. Yes.

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Originally Posted by TATY

Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.

True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Using similar logic, since you don't know anything about Ukrainian (unlike me or TATY), it just proves that you and JJ are (as always btw) speaking out of your ***.

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Originally Posted by TATY

Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.

True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

My word list was in response to a link posted by JJ, in which someone had selected Ukrainian words which matched Polish words. I was merely highlighting that there are Russian words which also match Polish words, and that doesn't mean they were artificially inserted into the language for political gain.

And what's the rubbish laugh for?

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself.

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Originally Posted by VendingMachine

In your dreams. Reality is, most Russians couldn't care less about Ukraine. I don't think many even know where it is. Another stereotype you should rid yourself of.

+100

Originally Posted by laxxy

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

Originally Posted by TATY

Just because you are Russian doesn't mean you know everything about the history of the Russian language.

True. But JJ and myself, both being native speakers of Russian, can see the BS in your theory because it states things that contradict today's Russian language usage which we, being native speakers of, have a much better grasp of than you. Your examples expose a lack of knowledge of some of the basic Russian vocabulary which we, native speakers, operate with on a daily basis and when we take that into consideration and look at your word lists again, your theory collapses onto itself. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Using similar logic, since you don't know anything about Ukrainian (unlike me or TATY), it just proves that you and JJ are (as always btw) speaking out of your ***.

But Laxxy Ukraine doesn't exist, it's actually a part of Russia. "Ukraine" was invented by Hitler, the Jews, Lenin and J.R.R.Tolkein.

Originally Posted by VendingMachine

In your dreams. Reality is, most Russians couldn't care less about Ukraine. I don't think many even know where it is. Another stereotype you should rid yourself of.

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Well then why do many of them waste so much time trying to disprove the existance of the Ukrainian language and people, and assertain that they are just Russians who speak Russian but have replaced some words with Polish?

"+100" откуда взялось? У каждого одно мнение, так что это "+1".

Originally Posted by Lampada

"+100" откуда взялось? У каждого одно мнение, так что это "+1".

JJ's ego dictates that his opinion is worth 100 of mine or Laxxy's opinions.

Originally Posted by laxxy

Using similar logic, since you don't know anything about Ukrainian (unlike me or TATY), it just proves that you and JJ are (as always btw) speaking out of your ***.

I have a hundred relatives who are khohly - in Ukrain and here in the Urals.

Originally Posted by TATY

... "Ukraine" was invented by Hitler, the Jews, Lenin and J.R.R.Tolkein.

А евреи-то тут причём?
"Если в кране нет воды, значит, выпили ...."