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So I am back to watching 17 Moments of Spring!
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Why is it that in this clip while Hitler is watching the news...
It's not Hitler. It's Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler
Yes, I stand corrected thank you. E-learner corrected me as well as another thread member via PM.
Not being defensive here; but in my defense, here was how I was actually watching all of part one and the first half of part two:
This is actual size of the DVD player I was using to watch the movie with the screen shot of the intro line for Himmler:
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/q...n/cfabba5a.jpg
Here it is enlarged a little:
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/q...n/ca336422.jpg
Here is a shot of the two of them watching the newsreels:
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/q...n/c6a58238.jpg
And here is my little player all packed up with it's remote control and my sunglasses next to it for size reference:
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/q...n/9f7bd9bc.jpg
So, you can see, if I turned my head for one second, I would have missed who Himmler was as they had just come out of the briefing room with Hitler. While the photos do not show it, the quality is very good, just a compact size... which I need sometimes and the battery lasts for a good few hours.
Now, I have also learned that "American intelligence operative Allen Dulles" was the younger brother of John Foster Dulles. Which "our" Dulles Airport in Virginia is named after.
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:?: New Questions :?: .... In Part Three of the Movie...
In the flashback scene in the bar, who is with Stirlitz's wife?
What is Gabi's role all in all of this? Anything?
Also, I love how Stirlitz has those little, what I would now call, "House Moments." Like when he is playing chess and all of the sudden that look comes across his face and he magically has his answer.
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In the flashback scene in the bar, who is with Stirlitz's wife?
Well, Jazzlyn, I'll try to describe my point, despite my poor English. First of all, I'm not a big fan of the MOVIE (although I like the novel very much). You may call me some sort of sexual chauvinist, but I feel a very big defference between the novel (wich was written by a man named Yulian Semenov) and the movie (wich was directed by a woman named Tatyana Liosnova). Although the plot was almost untouched by the movie director, the movie has a strong feeling of the woman's hand touch. For example: the "wife" theme was made special for the movie. In the novels Shtirlitz just left some girl in Russia and there is not a word in them about they were married, although they had a son. And of course the whole episode with the wife looks logically srange, if you know the plot (according to the novels Shtirlitz left Russia and didn't saw her from 1922 (when he was 22 and she was about 17). Besides, I think it was, if to put it mildly, not typical for foreign intelligence services, especially for Soviet intelligence service of that time, to arrange such meetings, even for most precious agents, with some long-time-non-seen-relatives in such an original manner. Of course the scene is very touching and other that stuff, but imho it was more than unnecessary. And, to answer your question, most likely, it was supposed that this guy was some sort of escort from Soviet intelligence service.
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What is Gabi's role all in all of this? Anything?
Gabi and frau Zaurrch just another background insertion special for the movie, just ignore them :D . Btw, the image of the strong-man-who-is-faithful-to-its-twenty-years-not-seen-wife is also created special for the movie. For example, in "Alternative" you can find Shtirlitz's far non-Platonic romance with some German countess, who was a member of anti-nazi movement.
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Also, I love how Stirlitz has those little, what I would now call, "House Moments." Like when he is playing chess and all of the sudden that look comes across his face and he magically has his answer.
And these are good ones, I agree. I love them too. Especially the later ones, when he makes hedgehog and fox from matches in Gestapo jail while thinking.
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And, to answer your question, most likely, it was supposed that this guy was some sort of escort from Soviet intelligence service.
Basil, your explaination was fantastic and this last part clears up the scene for me. I was not certian if she was cheating on him or also a double agent or what. So it was just a thing where they brought them "together" to let them "see" each other. Now I get it.
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Gabi and frau Zaurrch just another background insertion special for the movie, just ignore them :D.
Will do, thanks.
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And these are good ones, I agree. I love them too. Especially the later ones, when he makes hedgehog and fox from matches in Gestapo jail while thinking.
Ahhh, great.
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:?: :arrow: Next Question... open to all as I feel it does not have to do with the movie so much... more of personal habit, though it could be a character trait.
So, one more oddball question here and open for anyone... but I guess more for a person who smokes or used to smoke or has friends/parents who are smokers....
This is just again an observation and question at same time again and since I do not smoke is why I ask.
I noticed when Shtirlitz was in the bar waiting for his wife he used the matches and not the candle to light his cigarette. I mean if you have the candle already lit, why waste the matches, you never know when you might need them. So... can anyone tell me why a person selects a match, lighter, candle, gas flame from the stove... over the other? Does it give a different taste to the cigarette? Is it a habit thing? Or a smell of the sulfur thing? .... Or is this a character trait of Shtirlitz?
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I noticed when Shtirlitz was in the bar waiting for his wife he used the matches and not the candle to light his cigarette. I mean if you have the candle already lit, why waste the matches, you never know when you might need them. So... can anyone tell me why a person selects a match, lighter, candle, gas flame from the stove... over the other? Does it give a different taste to the cigarette? Is it a habit thing? Or a smell of the sulfur thing? .... Or is this a character trait of Shtirlitz?
Lighting cigarettes 20 times a day with matches you will use a match 21st time even having a candle. Besides other Germans who had seen him saving ONE MATCH supposed him to be a Jew :lol:
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I really don't know why a Soviet spy believes in superstitions, but there really is a rather widespread superstition that lighting a cigarette from a candle will lead you to misfortune. Then perhaps, if you're a spy you'd better be on a safe side.
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George and Ramil... Thanks for your thoughts on the cigarettes. Two very different points of views. If anyone one else still wants to chime in on that one, please do.
In the mean time... Different movie! New question!
I started to watch Master & Margarita at home BEFORE watching "17" yet when I went to watch it on my little DVD player, the DVD I had made would not work and the DVD with "17" would, so I switched movies that day. I don't think my poor brain can handle two long term series at once right now so I will have to wait until I finish "17" to get back to Master & Margarita.
.... While I have only finished part one, the opening theme song for Master & Margarita has caught my attention. Does anyone know what it is? Can anyone find it on YouTube, iTunes, Amazon or somewhere else for me? Lampada??? You are the music Queen of the boards... are you reading this thread these days??? Or is it a very famous song and all of ya'll know it right off the bat and can tell me? :unknown:
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George and Ramil... Thanks for your thoughts on the cigarettes. Two very different points of views. If anyone one else still wants to chime in on that one, please do.
I agree with Studyr. If someone sitting in restaurant would light a cigarette with a candle, I think I'd find it strange. Like he's thinking of saving a match, really :)
I can add that I, too, was never be able to understand the plot of "17 Moments of Spring". :D
And I also find the "wife" scene stupid (ALTHOUGH Tikhonov plays it very very very well). Actually the whole country laughs at that scene. :)
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Originally Posted by rockzmom
I started to watch Master & Margarita
I suppose you're watching Vladimir Bortko's version, not Yury Kara's one. I must say that "M&M" is one of my favourite novels, but I don't like Bortko's screen version.
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I can add that I, too, was never be able to understand the plot of "17 Moments of Spring". :D
Thanks! Now, I don't feel so stupid being lost and rewatching some of the scenes over again thinking, "Did I just miss something?"
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And I also find the "wife" scene stupid (ALTHOUGH Tikhonov plays it very very very well). Actually the whole country laughs at that scene. :)
Another thanks. That one just went right over my head which was why I posted the question. I could not for the life of me understand what was going on in that scene.
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Originally Posted by rockzmom
I started to watch Master & Margarita
I suppose you're watching Vladimir Bortko's version, not Yury Kara's one. I must say that "M&M" is one of my favourite novels, but I don't like Bortko's screen version.
Yes, I am/was watching the 2005 mini series version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H61s7jRmT6M as I had not realized there was another version out there. I see on IMDb that the one you are speaking of was only shown at a film festival in Moscow in 2006??? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110476/trivia
Is this version available to watch online somewhere?
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I had not realized there was another version out there. I see on IMDb that the one you are speaking of was only shown at a film festival in Moscow in 2006???
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110476/trivia
Is this version available to watch online somewhere?
I've only seen it in some unusual format (mkv, maybe?.. or something) and in a very very very bad quality. And yet I liked it because for me, there was the true spirit of the novel in it, and heroes looked like I imagined them while reading the book.
It was a four parts film, each one was about 1 hour long. Unfortunally I don't know if it's possible to find it online. Anyway, I think that the picture quality would be terrible in this case.
By the way, in Bortko's version, there is a scene I like very much. That is the hospital scene when Ivan talks with Professor Stravinsky. Stravinsky's role is performed by Vasily Livanov, our famous Russian Sherlock Holmes. :) I think he performed the Professor just perfect. :)
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I've only seen it in some unusual format (mkv, maybe?.. or something) and in a very very very bad quality.
Thanks, I sent a PM and Youtube email to Boris to see if he has seen a copy in his Internet travels. Maybe we will get lucky! :wink:
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I can add that I, too, was never be able to understand the plot of "17 Moments of Spring". :D
Thanks! Now, I don't feel so stupid being lost and rewatching some of the scenes over again thinking, "Did I just miss something?"
If you don't mind, I'll try to put the plot a little more clear for thouse of you who didn't read the book. At first, some prehistory.
In the beginning of the XX century young son of the Russian revolutioner goes to the emigration from tzarist regime with his father. They live in different parts of Europe but mostly in Switzerland and Germany, where young Vsevolod became fluent in German and can speak like a native. They return to Russia in 1917 after February Revolution. Vsevolod's father doesn't comletely agree with Bolshevik's doctrine, but Vsevolod becomes a member of Bolshevik's party and one of the closest man of Felix Dzierzynsky. After October revolution he takes pseudonym Maxim Isaev and becomes Сheka agent in the White army. After the end of Civil War in 1922 he (according to the orders from Moscow) goes with the remains of White army to Harbin (China) and continues his conspiracy work there. In 1933 Soviet secret service feels that Hitler will come to power soon, so agent Isaev recieves an order to infiltrate in the Nazi movement. He goes to Australia and comes to the German consulat in Sidney as German citizen Max Otto von Stirlitz who was robbed and lost all his papers. Than he goes to Germany and becomes a member of Nazi party just before they win the elections and come to power. He makes a career in Nazi intelligence service and completes many successful missions for his covert Moscow patrons...
Now to the plot of the film. The beginning of 1945. It's already clear that Germany suffers defeat. But fanatic Hitler still believes he can win. But the head of SS Himmler is not so naive. He sees only one way to avoid comlete defeat and to escape punishmet for his crimes - to break Soviet-American-British alliance, to ally with the West and than to defeat Soviet Union with the help of U.S. and Britain. So Himmler and the head of Nazi intelligence service Shellenberg (Shirlitz's oficial patron) start to seek contacts with Americans and try to convince them that to prevent a "Red threat" from Europe is far more important than "unnatural" alliance with Russians. So negotiations begin. The contragent from the American side - the head of American Secret service in Europe Allen Dalles, rabid anti-communist. Soviet intelligence learns about that. So Shtirlitz recieves an order from Moscow: his mission to break the Nazi-American negotiations by any means and keep the alliance. So it's the plot in the couple of words :) .
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Master and Margarita torrent, subtitles. But I recommend to read the book first.
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I'm watching first season of Sledge Hammer.
Trust me. I know what I am doing.
Another series of that kind: Get Smart. It's an old one. Also, they did a movie out of it recently.
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I started to watch Master & Margarita ...
.... While I have only finished part one, the opening theme song for Master & Margarita has caught my attention. Does anyone know what it is? Can anyone find it on YouTube, iTunes, Amazon or somewhere else for me? Lampada??? You are the music Queen of the boards... are you reading this thread these days??? Or is it a very famous song and all of ya'll know it right off the bat and can tell me? :unknown:
I'm watching it too! I've read the novel and a friend recommended I'd watch the series. I love the music but unfortunately it's nowhere to be found on CD. He has already asked numerous of his Russian friends but no luck yet.
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If you don't mind, I'll try to put the plot a little more clear for tho[s:37bl84ui]u[/s:37bl84ui]se of you who didn't read the book.
Basil,
Thank you for all you hard work on that summary. I also found this site which seems to summarize the series episode by episode! http://www.sovlit.com/spies/17moments.html
I love how they call it Quote:
"Works of Soviet Literature summarized for those unable or too lazy to read them in the original."
They have many other Russian works on there as well, some only in Russian and some in English. So, for those of you practicing your Russian.... you can check it out as well!!! http://www.sovlit.com/sovlinks.html
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Olya!!! You are fantastic!!! #7 from for Bortko's film, "Into" is the one I was looking for. I have no idea any other information as the rest of the letters did not translate into English :( ; however, I at least have it now. If someone out there knows the informaiton about the song, please let me know.
Thanks again!
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I have no idea any other information as the rest of the letters did not translate into English :(
1 - Главная тема (2:11) The main theme
2 - Вальс на Балу (1:27) Waltz at the ball
3 - Титры - 6 серия (1:29) Credits, the 6th part
4 - Титры - 7 серия (1:30) Credits, the 7th part
5 - Титры - 8 серия (1:35) Credits, the 8th part
6 - Посвящение Маргариты (4:06) Margarita's initiation
7 - Intro (2:00) ???
8 - Музыка к титрам (1:36) Credits music
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"The main theme (Voland’s hymn)" is eclectic set of three occult formulas: “Sator Arepo tenet opera rotas. Sator Arepo tenet opera rotas. Igne natura renovatur integra. Igne natura renovatur integra. INRI, INRI, Abracadabra, INRI, INRI. INRI, INRI, INRI, INRI, Abracadabra. INRI, INRI, Abracadabra, INRI, INRI. INRI, INRI, INRI, INRI, Abracadabra etc”
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Olya!!! I misread your message! I did not realize you found the Yuri Kara's film as well. I read it as you had found the soundtrack to BOTH movies. I went to listen to the second soundtrack and was caught off guard by the page that appeared. You are a great detective!
Of course, now I must be a really big pain and ask if this comes with English subtitles or if I have to hunt them down?
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7 - Intro (2:00) ???
"Introduction" (введение, вступление).
It sounds better, but is shorter:
01. Вступление.mp3 (~3Mb)
I can't find the text of this song. I know it bases on church liturgy (Великий пяток), but I hear only "нас сохрани" and can't find Psalter's text like this one.
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if this comes with English subtitles or if I have to hunt them down?
The latter, I fear. :-)
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I was quite wrong when said: “is eclectic set…” Interesting, does author of this “song” realize fully, which archetypical wheels are put in motion by these formulas? The heart of the magic and Gnostic tradition is throbbing behind this “spell”. Was it author’s idea, or author was a tool of something? It’s exciting mystery.
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I was quite wrong when said: “is eclectic set…” Interesting, does author of this “song” realize fully, which archetypical wheels are put in motion by these formulas? The heart of the magic and Gnostic tradition is throbbing behind this “spell”. Was it author’s idea, or author was a tool of something? It’s exciting mystery.
Звездочёт, http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/sign0016.gif to the thread and MR!
You know, I must admit, your first posting left my head spinning and now with your second posting, I feel (as I often do here on MR) undereducated. Terms like "archetypical wheels" and "Gnostic tradition" combined in a music review are lost on me.
Can you (or maybe someone else) explain in "dumbed-down" English to a non-musically educated person what it is you are exactly trying to express?
As for if the music was composed purposefully (with the intent that you are questioning); you would have to match it up with the scene from the movie to see how they fit together. Have you watched this version of M&M? If not, you can find links to it on page 13 of this thread and I also have seen there is now a version out on YouTube.
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I was excited when I was writing it, so “archetypical wheels” is more figurative than literal (also it's a mistake, I think, original: archetype’s wheels, wheels of an archetype). In this case it means (about) “forces”. The “Gnostic tradition” or “Gnosticism” is ancient philosophy, religion and mystic system. Gnosticism is “mother” of the Christianity, but the Gnostic tradition was given a status of heresy, and The Church eradicated it. Some Gnostic conceptions were saved by the occult philosophy and traditions (for examples, by occult cabbala).
When I found the text of the “Main theme” (“Voland’s theme”, “Voland’s hymn”) I was thinking: “It’s the chaotic set of three occult formulas (SATOR, INRI, Abracadabra)”, but then I realized: “All of them point to cabbalistic name Jeshua”. I was shaken by this discovery much.
So, It’s interesting for me: is It a coincidence or It’s author’s plan. I think first (some pointers are very subtle).
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7 - Intro (2:00) ???
"Introduction" (введение, вступление).
It sounds better, but is shorter:
01. Вступление.mp3 (~3Mb)
I can't find the text of this song. I know it bases on church liturgy (Великий пяток), but I hear only "нас сохрани" and can't find Psalter's text like this one.[/quote:2vb6gg8u]
Hi there Звездочёт, when I click on the link (or try to copy and paste it), I just go no where :( I get a blank page. Would mind reposting the link? Thanks!
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Hi there Звездочёт, when I click on the link (or try to copy and paste it), I just go no where I get a blank page. Would mind reposting the link? Thanks!
It's strange. Maybe cyrillic symbols prevent you.
What about it?
Intro.mp3
The full src: http://mp3forum.com.ua/showtopic81183.html
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Ah-ha! Cigarette update....
So, in Part 6 of “17,” Stirlitz is lighting his home fire place and actually uses a piece of kindling to light his cigarette!
Now, Basil, as this one “of those female type” moments in the movie with Gabi and Frau Zaurrch having dinner at his home, I am certain this action by him of NOT using a match, was done in a moment of weakness and is a character flaw that was done in error because of....the female director! :spiteful:
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Hi there Звездочёт, when I click on the link (or try to copy and paste it), I just go no where I get a blank page. Would mind reposting the link? Thanks!
It's strange. Maybe cyrillic symbols prevent you.
What about it?
Intro.mp3
The full src:
http://mp3forum.com.ua/showtopic81183.html
Звездочёт... thank you, the full link source worked.
:arrow: devochka, the full song (very long) from the opening is hidden within track 16, Буря (Storm) on Disk 1.
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BTW... a new version of The Master and Margarita in the works????
This is actually over a YEAR old, but it is still listed on Stone Village's Web site as "in Development" and the lastest update on IMDb was 20 February 2009.
From HollywoodReporter.com
Stone Village has 'Master' plan
19 February 2008
NEW YORK -- Satan comes to Earth in Mikhail Bulgakov's novel The Master and Margarita, and he will return to the big screen in the adaptation from Stone Village Pictures and producer Scott Steindorff.
The Los Angeles-based production company has optioned the late Russian writer's once-banned book, an inspiration for Rolling Stones' Sympathy for the Devil, in a low- to mid-six figure against a low-seven figure deal.
SVP president Steindorff will produce the film. SVP partners Chris Law, Danny Greenspun, Robin Greenspun and execs Scott Lastati and Dylan Russell will executive produce alongside Michael Lang. It's one of several SVP adaptations, including Love in the Time of Cholera and the upcoming True Believer.
Master and Margarita begins in pre-WWII Moscow, where the devil appears as a mysterious man who insinuates himself into a literary crowd. Amid a series of deaths and disappearances, the devil brings together the title characters, a despairing novelist and his devoted but married lover. The story shifts to the setting of the master's rejected novel, Jerusalem in the time of Pontius Pilate, and then to a supernatural world where Satanic forces have taken over Margarita's life.
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What does the expression "In this snow-blue world" mean?
Is it the correct English translation for what is being said? It comes at the :40 mark in this scene from Part 7 of "17"
btw.. I just finished part 9! It is gettting MUCH better as it goes on and easier to follow! :bravo:
[video:edh4o3df]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfmNh2xIALc[/video:edh4o3df]
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Ah-ha! Cigarette update....
So, in Part 6 of “17,” Stirlitz is lighting his home fire place and actually uses a piece of kindling to light his cigarette!
Now, Basil, as this one “of those female type” moments in the movie with Gabi and Frau Zaurrch having dinner at his home, I am certain this action by him of NOT using a match, was done in a moment of weakness and is a character flaw that was done in error because of....the female director! :spiteful:
I was often told by my friends when we were sitting near the fire and I was lighting my cigarette from a lighter :"The one who light a cigarette from a lighter near a fire is a spy". I don't know how old this expression, but I can guess the logic of it. It's something like: "Only dumb westerners can do such things, they are overcivilized, they can't imagine their life without WC and toilet paper, and such an easy thing that you can use a fire to light a cigarette instead of lighter will never come to their minds". Of course it's complete foolishness, but this is one of the many russian prejudices about west like westerners believe in bears on the streets of russian cities :D . There is also some superstition about lighting a cigarette from matches or lighter near a fire. But I'm too lazy for that: you must find some stick first, then put it into the fire and wait while it start to burn and then use it with a risk to burn you eyebrows and eyelashes. I think that to put a hand into a pocket and use a lighter is far more easier.
So you are right, in this case it was Stirlitz's weakness and he even could fail as a spy, because he demonstrated his russian nature. :)
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What does the expression "In this snow-blue world" mean?
Is it the correct English translation for what is being said?
Translation is correct and literal. Stirlits is talking with the border gate officer and the border gate is located in Alpes, so it was much snow around. And "blue" means that snow is very clear. You will see the snow when he will return here with pastor.
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I'm watching first season of Sledge Hammer.
Trust me. I know what I am doing.
Another series of that kind: Get Smart. It's an old one. Also, they did a movie out of it recently.
Studyr, I never saw the Sledge Hammer series. Actually, I had to Google it! 1986-88, were my Florida to New York years and I worked the night shift then like "capecoddah" and did not watch much TV. You will have to let us all know how it is/was. As it only ran two years, my guess was it was not that popular.
Now, Get Smart, I was just a little too young for it the first time around, but I saw a number of reruns and I did see the movie that came out in 2008. Funny, IMDb has listed for languages for the movie "English and Russian!" My girls REALLY liked it and it is always fun to take them to that kind of movie and see which one understands which jokes!
As for the movie itself, there were errors in it with the location scenes in DC, which are always fun for me to find. You know, they were to be inside one building, yet when they come out of the elevator, they are in another building that the interior WOULD NOT be THAT building. Or they are driving and turn a corner and all of the sudden are on a street where in real life, they are nowhere near where they just were.
:?: What about the scenes that were shot in Russia? Any of those types of errors?
BTW.... Same question for the Bourne series. How many location errors or other errors are in those movies?
... questions are open to anyone!
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rockzmom, does this headline ring any bells with you?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...eadline203.jpg
You don't need to know anything about the event, all you need is to have seen a certain American movie, which I have every reason to believe you have. :wink:
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rockzmom, does this headline ring any bells with you?
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...eadline203.jpg
You don't need to know anything about the event, all you need is to have seen a certain American movie, which I have every reason to believe you have. :wink:
I just woke up and had to read it three times BEFORE I got it... oh the shame....
Someone has a good sense of humor!
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BTW... EVERYONE! I have finally finished 17 Moments of Spring. http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies.../party0003.gif
I will try to write up my thoughts on it today or tomorrow!
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RUSSIAN MOVIE REVIEW (long movie=long review=possible typos :spiteful: )
“17 Moments of Spring”, (Семнадцать мгновений весны) , 1973
( Adventure/Drama/War/Spy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevente...ents_of_Spring
(see page 13 of this thread for how to watch this movie either view download on Yandex or online at YouTube)
Summary of movie Cheatsheet:
http://www.sovlit.com/spies/17moments.html
Before I get to the actual review part, I have to provide you with some back-story here. For me, this film was VERY difficult to watch for a number of reasons. The only history classes I took in college were two Early U.S. History (so up to and including U.S. Civil War) and that was when I was 17 years old. This means, if I studied anything about WWII, it would have been in junior or senior high and that means...ages ago. Remember my line… Find the biggest land mass and write USSR on it… it is not really meant to be a joke; it is the extent of my memory from European history class. Operation Sunrise and Operation Crossword ("Sunrise Crossword" in the film) they have no meaning for me, no reference in my brain. So, here I am starting to watch this film with almost no reference for any of these events. For me, when I hear the name “Dulles” I think “Dulles Airport” as it is right near me and we use it all the time. Secondly, this is a LONG piece of art to watch with subtitles (840 minutes). Finally, everyone in my family bailed on me! I ended up watching this on my own…yet I am sooooo very glad that I did and I want to thank everyone on this forum who posted answers to my questions and sent me PMs . It meant a great deal to me to have your encouragement and willingness to hang in there WITH me while I watched this film. :friends:
So, what did I think of it???
I thought it was one of the best pieces of art I have ever seen. I tried my best to watch one episode a day or so as it was meant to be seen. Not to rush through it like a marathon. I would ponder what I had seen and then when I had time to really devote to the next episode, I would watch it.
Ramil just posted a link to an article on another thread about how movies today spoon feed us everything and actors have to overact for us to understand the meaning of the script. This movie is the exact opposite and I fear that there might never be a film like this again. A remake of this would be done action adventure style, à la James Bond. All of the long drawn out pauses where the characters are thinking and you are right there thinking along with them would be gone. The tense moments where there is nothing but silence and the bombing in the background, would be replaced with a dramatic musical score and then high speed chase. Stirlitz's almost lack of expression during the entire film, making it so the viewer has to think, “What is he feeling?”, “What is he plotting?” and we are not just being told this with words and facial expressions is marvelous and in a remake, would be made comical or eliminated. Even Schellenberg at one point could not read Stirlitz stoic expression correctly;
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Schellenberg “Why are you so angry with me?”
Stirlitz – “Me? Angry?”
Stirlitz – “I’m much gloomier when I am angry.”
Stirlitz – “I’m simply reflecting.”
While this style is difficult to get used to at first (after all these years of mindless movies), the more I watched, the more I enjoyed and also the more I understood the plotline, the more I enjoyed. Of all the Russian movies I have watched, I believe this is the one where if I had a magic pill and I could understand Russian, this would have been the one I would have taken the pill for. Because even a dubbing into English I do not believe would be the same. I found myself turning up the volume to hear the actor’s voices even though everyone here knows, I can only understand about a dozen or so words… yet, I wanted to hear the inflection of their voices. How they said the words I was reading in English on the screen. I would go back and replay the screen after reading the words to hear how they match what I had read. How they paused or speed up or their tonal changes.
The acting, I could not write enough about to say how wonderful I thought it was. The smallest part to the largest role, each character seemed perfectly cast and executed their character with a precision that is not seen much these days. Professor Pleischner, Pastor Schlag, Helmut, even the drunk woman in the bar at the end. The young actors of today, on say Disney, should be strapped down and forced to watch this… as I said before it is art. It is subtle not thrown in your face. All the little character traits, the whole thing with the matchsticks (Basil), the chess game with Frau Saurich, the air raids – who ignored them and why. Even the narration was an addition and not a distraction. And to continue these characters and make you believe them for so long of a film, is amazing. I was very upset with what happened to some of the characters because I CARED about them and I don't want to give anything away, so I won't say any more about that.
Also, I am assuming here, that was real footage intercut within the film. There was not too much or too little in the film and it only added to the production value. To draw you in and make you suspend belief, as if you were there right along side Kathe in the storm drain or walking the rubbled streets with her. To have this entire film in black and white, IMHO was the CORRECT choice. It gave a feel to the film that color would just not give. To have it come to life as not just a some "docudrama" with color for the main part and then black and white for the historical bombing, scenes of destruction and air raids part. It would have felt "wrong."
So, if you decide to watch this film, I do warn you… It is a labor of love to do so. It is LONG. It is difficult to follow if you don’t know the background players or your history. It is hard to put your mind into the mode of non year 2009 action adventure spy movie. Yet, if you take it slow and steady, as it was meant to be, and savor each and every part of the movie, experience it - not gobble it down, you will not be disappointed.
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...making it so the viewer has to think, “What is he feeling?”, “What is he plotting?” and we are not just being told this with words...
The smallest part to the largest role, each character seemed perfectly cast and executed their character with a precision that is not seen much these days. Professor Pleischner, Pastor Schlag, Helmut, even the drunk woman in the bar at the end. The young actors of today, on say Disney, should be strapped down and forced to watch this… as I said before it is art. It is subtle not thrown in your face.
To be honest, I think that can be said about the majority of old Russian (Soviet) films. Maybe I am too patriotic. :oops:
I'm glad you liked this film, and first of all owing to the acting. I think it's the main virtue of the film. As for the plot, as I said before, I never was able to get it. :D
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Please note I have once again updated the Movie and Cartoon listing on page 13 of this thread.
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I have added the following movies:
- The Cranes are Flying[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
- The Lady with the Little Dog[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
- The Thief[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
- War and Peace[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
Also added were:
- Link for Yuri Kara’s version of "The Master and Margarita"; however, this version is in RUSSIAN only. I have yet to find Enlgish subtitles.[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
- Music information for Bortko's version of "The Master and Margarita."[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
- Link for "Office Romance" (on YouTube); however, this version is in RUSSIAN only. I have yet to find Enlgish subtitles that will match up with the short little 10 minute segments. But at least it is a new link![/*:m:17tmxxjr]
- Summary cheat sheet for "17 Moments of Spring."[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
- Information about some of the Awards the movies have been nominated for or have won.[/*:m:17tmxxjr]
[s:17tmxxjr]I have not had the chance to update the PDF version that is available for download yet. I'll try to get around to that soon.[/s:17tmxxjr]
I have uploaded it and here is the link... http://www.mediafire.com/?jwd1zkyhgro
If anyone notices any errors or wants anything added to this list, please let me know!
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Originally Posted by rockzmom
I would go back and replay the screen after reading the words to hear how they match what I had read. How they paused or speed up or their tonal changes.
The acting, I could not write enough about to say how wonderful I thought it was. The smallest part to the largest role, each character seemed perfectly cast and executed their character with a precision that is not seen much these days.
There is a great conspiracy about the Soviet movies (I mean 60-80's, so I did not use "Russian"). There was the profession of a movie director, but there was no the profession of a movie actor (the profession in the sense of permanent occupation). People acting in a movie from time to time should also work somewhere for a regular salary. On the other hand a movie director when starting filming needs to hire actors, even more he wants to hire the best ones. So the conspiracy is how to meet the requirements of both the director and the actors. They found a solution – they went to the theaters. The actors went to the theaters for being theater actors and in this way get the experience and become the best ones, and of course salary – they get salary. The Directors went to the theaters to hire these best actors for their movies. So, most movies of that time are the movies where theater actors are acting. The theater actors brought the theater rules to the movies. The actors used to rehearse each scene, each head leaning, each eyebrow move a lot of times, because on the stage there is no a chance for the second take. So the movie acting became as fine art as for the theater.
P.S. All I said above is the only my simple-minded opinion. I don't know facts, records or something else which can confirm or deny this conspiracy.
