Thread: London terror attack, yo. :O

So it doesn't look like anyone's posted this yet, so I will. I have insomnia, so I saw the whole thing. At like 9:00 AM in London six bombs (confirmed) went off in the Underground. At first they were all, "OH IT'S AN ELECTRIC OVERLOAD LALALA." but then them bitches start talkin' all up about some double deckers gettin' the tops blown off and I was like, "Uh huh! Gurl you know dat be some of that terrah shit." and then in like an hour (I was still up, six AM here...) they're all it's a confirmed organized terror report lalala... and then they were talking about how it's probably 'cause the G 8 thinger. And then Tony Blaire (SP) popped up on meh TV and was all talking about how it was barbaric 'cause they were trying to stop debt relief and global warming stuff...he said he was gonna fly back to London and then return later, and that the G8 summit was 'onna continue. Yay for G8. Nay for Terrah.

Go London. -Does the uh...don't-let-the-playa-hatas-bring-ya-down-London dance.-

I think my lack of sleep and the work I have to do today has really brought an interesting account of the event to you, but you'd probably already heard them fancy repoootahs and their fancy talk. I'm outty.

I was awake talking to a girl in australia so i saw the whole thing too. Bad times.

Along with the shock of seeing the sun for the first time in two weeks.
It was really kind of shocking, but I couldn't sleep. And now I have to go out and find a job! :'( And clean, but pff.

Yes, bad times indeed.

I knew this would happen sooner or later, my family are in London, but thank god my eldest brother was not working today, as he is a London bus driver. I think that its about time that all our countries (Russia, UK< and USA) work together to get rid of these evil bastards, they dont deserve to live.

Yeah, and I hope the G8 leaders are not distracted from the big issues that they have to reach agreement on. The heartless monsters who planted those bombs don't care about the poverty and suffering of the people in Africa or what happens the environment. Seems like they deliberately wanted to upset the whole thing. Yet they claim they're carrying out these atrocities because of injustices in the Middle East and Africa. I think they're just doing it out of a blind nihilistic hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with their warped view of the world.

I just hope there isn't a massive backlash now against the Muslim community in Britain. That would only play into the hands of the terrorists. They would love to alienate the mainstream Muslim community from the rest of British society, create bitterness and resentment and try to gain more recruits to their 'cause'.

Originally Posted by luvmonsta

I think that its about time that all our countries (Russia, UK< and USA) work together to get rid of these evil bastards, they dont deserve to live.

I agree. Every time I drive by a shopping mall or a Starbucks I wonder if it wil lbe targeted. I don't see a way to stop terrorists.

Terrorism is never stopped "head on" (in the way that Bush and other world leaders insist we must try to do). It is only ever undermined.

We have sown the wind of "asymmetric warfare" and "precision bombing" and "collateral damage", so we must reap the whirlwind of suicide bombers and indiscriminate terrorism. The owning classes consider the former an unfortunate necessity as much as extremists do the latter, but it's innocent and defenceless ordinary people that have to deal with the consequences of both.

The "War on Terrorism" is a ludicrous fantasy.

Originally Posted by DDT

I agree. Every time I drive by a shopping mall or a Starbucks I wonder if it wil lbe targeted. I don't see a way to stop terrorists.

Yeah, when I ran the Los Angeles Marathon in March, I kept thinking how easy it would be to target such a thick concentration of people. Same with the Rose Parade on New Years. It's scary.

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

I just hope there isn't a massive backlash now against the Muslim community in Britain. That would only play into the hands of the terrorists. They would love to alienate the mainstream Muslim community from the rest of British society, create bitterness and resentment and try to gain more recruits to their 'cause'.

I think that you grossly underestimate terrorism. The type of people who plant bombs in restaraunts, schools and busses and such are not influenced by anything other than what is already in their own souls. These people will kill us no matter how we treat them.

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

I just hope there isn't a massive backlash now against the Muslim community in Britain. That would only play into the hands of the terrorists. They would love to alienate the mainstream Muslim community from the rest of British society, create bitterness and resentment and try to gain more recruits to their 'cause'.

I think that you grossly underestimate terrorism. The type of people who plant bombs in restaraunts, schools and busses and such are not influenced by anything other than what is already in their own souls. These people will kill us no matter how we treat them.

You don't think it makes things any worse if people start to direct their anger at the Muslim community in general? If people feel alienated from the state they live in, they're less likely to provide information to the authorities about any terrorist groups that may be operating within their community. That doesn't make anyone any safer. I also believe it can influence some people to join terrorist movements but you clearly disagree.

I guess you think all terrorists are born evil and regardless of the political situation, would carry out terrorist acts. Personally, I think that's a rather simplistic view of the problem. I believe there's more than one type of terrorist. Sure, there is a hard core who would carry out mass murder no matter what foreign policy Western Nations adopted, but there are also others who are drawn into these movements because they feel 'their people' are under attack. I'm not saying they're right to believe that, but their life experiences and the sources of information they have access to, may make it seem right in their mind.

I think the al-Qaeda mindset/ideology is essentially irrational and people like Zarqawi or Bin Laden cannot be negotiated with, but they carefully manipulate legitimate grievances among the Muslim community to their advantage. Thinking that how we treat Muslims has no effect on the situation whatsoever seems like a totally ludicrous idea to me.

As I wrote on another forum:

We need to execute everyone who has circumsisions. That will eliminate all possible islamic terrorists. Yes, there will be some side effects (like Jewish) as well, but then we will be living in kind, mercyful Christian world. Right?

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Disclaimer: that was a sour irony, in a case if some one did not understand.

Originally Posted by Pioner

As I wrote on another forum:

We need to execute everyone who has circumsisions. That will eliminate all possible islamic terrorists. Yes, there will be some side effects (like Jewish) as well, but then we will be living in kind, mercyful Christian world. Right?

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Disclaimer: that was a sour irony, in a case if some one did not understand.

I don't want to think about how many people might take that idea seriously.

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

Originally Posted by Pioner

As I wrote on another forum:

We need to execute everyone who has circumsisions. That will eliminate all possible islamic terrorists. Yes, there will be some side effects (like Jewish) as well, but then we will be living in kind, mercyful Christian world. Right?

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Disclaimer: that was a sour irony, in a case if some one did not understand.

I don't want to think about how many people might take that idea seriously.

Unfortunately you are right. We got fasism in Germany once, but people got short memory.

It is already known that terrorists operate within the local muslim community. This is why agencies such as FBI place high proirity on recruiting people who speak Arabic. So far the local muslim community has done little to report these bad apples among them to proper athorities. There needs to be some incentive given to those who may see suspicious activity or hear of plots to kill innocent people in our country. To do nothing and just hope that someone will do the right thing is just nuts.

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Cyphyr

I just hope there isn't a massive backlash now against the Muslim community in Britain. That would only play into the hands of the terrorists. They would love to alienate the mainstream Muslim community from the rest of British society, create bitterness and resentment and try to gain more recruits to their 'cause'.

I think that you grossly underestimate terrorism. The type of people who plant bombs in restaraunts, schools and busses and such are not influenced by anything other than what is already in their own souls. These people will kill us no matter how we treat them.

Cyphyr, DDT...

Unfortunately I must agree with DDT. We could be the kindest, most benevolent, sweetest people on earth...and it would make no difference to the militant terrorists.

Cyphyr, I understand your counterargument, responding to DDT, and I do agree that there are many styles and types of terrorists. The Basque ETA, and the IRA are far different than Al-Qaeda.

However, we only have to witness the horrific killing of absolutely innocent civilians...children, mothers, daughters, husbands, sons, who have done no wrong to the terrorists, or more importantly have done no wrong to the Muslim community...to understand and agree with DDT's statement that these terrorists who bombed today do not care at all how nice, kind, innocent, or benevolent any of the victims are. These guys will keep killing, regardless of the Muslim community.

My 2 kopeks.

Originally Posted by Dobry

However, we only have to witness the horrific killing of absolutely innocent civilians...children, mothers, daughters, husbands, sons, who have done no wrong to the terrorists...to understand and agree with DDT's statement that these terrorists who bombed today do not care at all how nice, kind, innocent, or benevolent any of the victims are.

My 2 kopeks.

Would do you have to say about coalition troops who bombed Bagdad, for example, the houses where "...absolutely innocent civilians...children, mothers, daughters, husbands, sons..." were living? Or american airplanes 2 weeks ago bombed wedding party in Afganistan?

Not that I think that those terrorists are bad, but there are killing going both directions. We shouldn't go to Iraq, to start with, Saddam was holding that country tightly with no terrorists there. Now it is a training camp for terrorists, thank you mister Bush and mister Blair.

Just a few days ago:

Bush: I know Americans ask the question: Is the sacrifice worth it? It is worth it, and it is vital to the future security of our country. And tonight I will explain the reasons why. Some of the violence you see in Iraq is being carried out by ruthless killers who are converging on Iraq to fight the advance of peace and freedom. Our military reports that we have killed or captured hundreds of foreign fighters in Iraq who have come from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, Libya and other nations.

Originally Posted by Pioner

Originally Posted by Dobry

However, we only have to witness the horrific killing of absolutely innocent civilians...children, mothers, daughters, husbands, sons, who have done no wrong to the terrorists...to understand and agree with DDT's statement that these terrorists who bombed today do not care at all how nice, kind, innocent, or benevolent any of the victims are.

My 2 kopeks.

Would do you have to say about coalition troops who bombed Bagdad, for example, the houses where "...absolutely innocent civilians...children, mothers, daughters, husbands, sons..." were living? Or american airplanes 2 weeks ago bombed wedding party in Afganistan?

Pioner,

The difference is this...the deaths of innocents caused during the bombing campaigns were not intentional (absolutely accidental) ...the deaths today of innocent civilians were intentional and not accidental.

I know soldiers who have done service in the Gulf...and I know Russian soldiers who have served in Chechnya...Not one of the soldiers I know would ever say or feel Oh, yes, we purposely killed innocent woman, children and men. That was our purpose and that was our mission.

That, however, was the mission of the terrorists today. Clearly and without question. No accident today.

Come on people... such shameless pop-punditry...such anecdotiallity. We're all (yes, all of us) so contaminated with news-room "expert" jargon that we can't help but see ourselves as satisfactorily informed.

Why, if this issue is so important to you all, does it only pop up in discussion once something happens to jog your memory of it's existence? Can we all please remember that it takes decades before academics finally concedes to a semi-stable interpretation of an event? Can we all practice a little more awareness of our own ignorance? Thank you.

Well, try to explain this to a kid whose parents die from explosion of an american bomb in Iraq. Something like: "You know, shit happens, that was a collateral damage, nobody wanted to kill exactly your parents, do not think bad about American/British". Will it work. Or some mullah saying: "See, those christians started new Crusade against us, here is the bomb, go and revenge for your parents"?

And you get another terroristic attack. And more people in USA/UK get angry, and send more troops to show them muslims who is the boss in the house.

What, Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair got no idea that civilians, and many civilians would die? Soviet Union did a great mistake invading Afganistan in 1979, that was a very good lesson for whole world, but Bush and Blair did not study history properly I guess, now we got another Afganistan, only bigger. We should not start that war at all, Al-Queda would not have that support like it got now. This circle of violence should stop somehow and sending more troops to kick some asses does not work here.