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    I have had Russian speakers in my college Russian class. None of them seem to know very much about grammar rules. Of course they spoke in russian quite well though.
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    Ну, может, это из-за глагола live

    Как насчет
    I visited Narofominsk 5 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indra
    Ну, может, это из-за глагола live

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    I visited Narofominsk 5 times.
    in this case "I visited..." and "I have visited..." are equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    I used to go to that school = Я (бывало) ходил в ту школу
    Э, батенька, тут уже либо used to, либо would в зависимости от смысла. Предлагаемый перевод неоднозначен.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    I used to go to that school = Я (бывало) ходил в ту школу
    Э, батенька, тут уже либо used to, либо would в зависимости от смысла. Предлагаемый перевод неоднозначен.
    Оригинал фразы слева. Справа перевод на русский. Можно перевести по другому, но смысл тот же.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    Indra is partially right. I mean her sentense makes sense. But that was in the past in general, without linking to current moment at all.

    I lived in Narofominsk for 5 years = Я прожила в Нарофоминске 5 лет
    Even though native speakers sometimes do use this form, it's wrong. Or, at least, I was told so several times by people whose expertise I trust. It's either, "I have lived in Narofominsk for 5 years.", or, "I had lived in Narofominsk for 5 years."

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    Vesh, you maybe risgt, but that's how people speak here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    неа, не ошибаюсь. Возможны исключения, но основное правило это. Действие должно быть завершено к моменту разговора.

    I have driven to San-Francisco for 2 hours (и вот я уже приехал)
    I have been driven to SF for 2 hours (я уже за рулем 2 часа, и все еще еду)
    I have been driven to SF for 2 hours .(If you are a car)
    I have been driving (if you are a driver)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milanya
    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    неа, не ошибаюсь. Возможны исключения, но основное правило это. Действие должно быть завершено к моменту разговора.

    I have driven to San-Francisco for 2 hours (и вот я уже приехал)
    I have been driven to SF for 2 hours (я уже за рулем 2 часа, и все еще еду)
    I have been driven to SF for 2 hours .(If you are a car)
    I have been driving (if you are a driver)
    No, if I am a car that would be:
    I have been being driven to SF for 2 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    Vesh, you maybe risgt, but that's how people speak here.
    I guess Indra better learn to speak right and only after that learn to make the same errors native speakers do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesh
    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    Vesh, you maybe risgt, but that's how people speak here.
    I guess Indra better learn to speak right and only after that learn to make the same errors native speakers do.
    Maybe. As I said, I did not get formal education in English at all. I picked it up from books, natives, so that is what I get. Maybe some of experts on this forum corrects us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    Quote Originally Posted by Milanya
    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    неа, не ошибаюсь. Возможны исключения, но основное правило это. Действие должно быть завершено к моменту разговора.

    I have driven to San-Francisco for 2 hours (и вот я уже приехал)
    I have been driven to SF for 2 hours (я уже за рулем 2 часа, и все еще еду)
    I have been driven to SF for 2 hours .(If you are a car)
    I have been driving (if you are a driver)
    No, if I am a car that would be:
    I have been being driven to SF for 2 hours.
    If I was a car, I would say
    They have been driving me to SF for 2 hours.

    "I have been driven to SF for 2 hours" does not make sence.

    "I have been driven to SF 2 times" if somebody else was driving.
    or
    "I have been driving to SF for 2 hours" if I was driving.
    This implies that I am STILL driving.

    As a general rule, never say "been being". I do not know if it is grammatically correct, but it sounds bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    No, if I am a car that would be:
    I have been being driven to SF for 2 hours.
    Eschew obfuscations.

    it's possible to use words like WORK, PLAY, STUDY, LIVE, in either tense with no change in meaning.
    Compare: -Mr. Sanchez has taught English for 6 years.
    -Mr. Sanchez has been teaching English for 6 years.

    BTW. If you have been driven, someone has been driving you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vesh
    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    Indra is partially right. I mean her sentense makes sense. But that was in the past in general, without linking to current moment at all.

    I lived in Narofominsk for 5 years = Я прожила в Нарофоминске 5 лет
    Even though native speakers sometimes do use this form, it's wrong. Or, at least, I was told so several times by people whose expertise I trust. It's either, "I have lived in Narofominsk for 5 years.", or, "I had lived in Narofominsk for 5 years."
    You need to find new people to trust. Either the ones you have are incompetent, they're lying to you, or you are missunderstanding what they are telling you.

    "I lived in Narofominsk for 5 years" is a simple statement of fact. You lived there for 5 years, but you don't any more. "Я прожила в Нарофоминске 5 лет" is a perfectly good translation.

    "I have lived in Narofominsk for 5 years" implies that you still live there.

    "I had lived in Narofominsk for 5 years" implies that you are talking about something that happened at some point in the past when you still lived there, and you don't live there any more. Think of it as "at that time, I had lived in Narofominsk for 5 years" .

    "I had been living in Narofominsk for 5 years" is very close in meaning to the one above, except it implies that you are talking about a continuous process that was happening, or an occurence that was beginning, when you still lived there.

    Without further context though, the distinction between those last two is meaningless. The choice has more to do with the overal point you are making, and from which point of view, than about the precise moment it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Quote Originally Posted by Pioner
    I used to go to that school = Я (бывало) ходил в ту школу
    Э, батенька, тут уже либо used to, либо would в зависимости от смысла. Предлагаемый перевод неоднозначен.
    Оригинал фразы слева. Справа перевод на русский. Можно перевести по другому, но смысл тот же.
    Есть там всё-таки свои нюансы, но ладно, это уже другая тема.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwatts59
    As a general rule, never say "been being". I do not know if it is grammatically correct, but it sounds bad.
    It may sound bad, and nobody would say this way, but considering that we check verb tenses this is how this phrase has to be. We do not work on perfect translation right now, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milanya
    BTW. If you have been driven, someone has been driving you.
    WRONG!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Есть там всё-таки свои нюансы, но ладно, это уже другая тема.
    Согласен, нет полного эквивалента в русском язык, поэтому ньюансы.
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    scotcher, what's the difference between "I have lived in Narofominsk for 5 years" and "I have been living..."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scotcher
    You need to find new people to trust.
    I will. Thank you for explanation.

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