Thread: Chechen bastard Basayev Killed in Southern Russia

Russia’s most wanted man, Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev, has been killed, the country’s state security chief has told President Vladimir Putin, Itar-Tass news agency said on Monday.

Basayev, who claimed responsibility for the 2004 Beslan school attack in which more than 330 died, half of them children, and a string of other attacks, was killed together with other Chechen fighters, Nikolai Patrushev told Putin.

The announcement came only a couple of weeks after Shamil Basayev, wanted by Russia for a string of shocking terrorist attacks, was named by Doku Umarov, president of the self-styled Ichkeria (Chechnya) as his vice president in a move seen as a signal towards radicalization of the Chechen rebel movement.

Doku Umarov Umarov took over as Chechnya’s new separatist leader earlier this month after police killed Abdul-Khalim Sadulayev during a raid in an eastern Chechen town. In his first public statement in June Umarov vowed to widen attacks to the rest of Russia, saying rebel forces would focus on military and police targets but would avoid attacks against most civilians.

That statement appeared to signal an effort to avoid terrorist attacks such as the September 2004 Beslan school hostage taking, in which 331 people died, more than half of them children. Basayev claimed responsibility for that attack, which shocked Russia and divided the rebel movement, since civilians, including women and children, were among those primarily taken hostage.

When Russian troops pulled out of Chechnya in 1996 and Chechnya prepared to elect a president to lead it to de facto independence, Basayev ran for the job. He lost to the late rebel commander Aslan Maskhadov and became his deputy. He and Maskhadov — a relative moderate who was Sadulayev’s predecessor as Chechen rebel president — later became rivals.

Russian forces and their local Chechen allies have been battling separatist militants for most of the past 12 years. The rebel movement has become increasingly drawn to radical Islam, but insists it is only fighting for independence. Most large-scale fighting has ended in Chechnya, but rebels continue to stage regular hit-and-run raids and detonate land mines and explosives, and the insurgency has spread to other parts of the mainly Muslim North Caucasus region.





 

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Basayev, who claimed responsibility for the 2004 Beslan school attack

I hope he died slowly!

Originally Posted by DDT

I hope he died slowly!

I just hope he is really dead this time. They said about Basaev's death 2 or 3 times as I remember. Though... Basaev is just a man, one man has gone another man comes on his place. Putin should destroy the terrorist's system for winning such as their camps in Georgia, Berezovsky in London, kavkaz.org and so on... IMHO the news is not so important... Хрен с ним, с этим Басаевым...

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Basayev, who claimed responsibility for the 2004 Beslan school attack

I hope he died slowly!

I hope ... (Моderated.)

Shamil wasn't pleasant, but his crimes in the North Caucasus pale next to those of this Russian administration. And to give him his due, at least Basayev transcended the sort of lazybrained internet sheetkicking like what you peddle, DDT.

Originally Posted by joysof

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Basayev, who claimed responsibility for the 2004 Beslan school attack

I hope he died slowly!

I hope... (Moderated).

Shamil wasn't pleasant, but his crimes in the North Caucasus pale next to those of this Russian administration. And to give him his due, at least Basayev transcended the sort of lazybrained internet sheetkicking like what you peddle, DDT.

Oh boo to you.

Shamil wasn't pleasant, but his crimes in the North Caucasus pale next to those of this Russian administration.

What do you know about all that? I can tell you, you know nothing.

Originally Posted by joysof

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Basayev, who claimed responsibility for the 2004 Beslan school attack

I hope he died slowly!

I hope ... (Moderated.)

Shamil wasn't pleasant, but his crimes in the North Caucasus pale next to those of this Russian administration. And to give him his due, at least Basayev transcended the sort of lazybrained internet sheetkicking like what you peddle, DDT.

And the "Assclown of the Week Award" goes to...YOU! Congratulations on marginalizing cold-blooded mass murder of children! Убей сибя апбасаеве!

Originally Posted by joysof

Originally Posted by DDT

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Basayev, who claimed responsibility for the 2004 Beslan school attack

I hope he died slowly!

I hope ... (Моderated.)

Shamil wasn't pleasant, but his crimes in the North Caucasus pale next to those of this Russian administration. And to give him his due, at least Basayev transcended the sort of lazybrained internet sheetkicking like what you peddle, DDT.

Oh! Joysof! Where have you been? I have missed our "pleasant" discussions.

The same rotten story "Basayev is dead - 34", starring FSB.

Next week there would probably be a video with him proving that he's alive.

Basayev slowly becomes a demon to frighten children. (Like Usama bin Laden in the western world). A rather convenient demon to show to population when time comes to pay taxes.

Nobody knows for sure whether they are dead or alive, whether they are on their own or is under the strong control of secret services.

To my opinion - there is so much sh|t in the whole concept of the international terrorism that trying to find some grains of truth in that pile is a rather futile task.
Maybe someday, when classified archives of secret services will leak our children will find out what had really happenned.

Originally Posted by DDT

Oh! Joysof! Where have you been? I have missed our "pleasant" discussions.

Let's just say the best of me has been moderated away.

Why is it kosher for you to wish Basayev a slow death, but not for me to wish you one? Is this forum out to reproduce in microcosm the prevailing conditions of Putin's Russia?

Originally Posted by Бармалей

And the "Assclown of the Week Award" goes to...YOU! Congratulations on marginalizing cold-blooded mass murder of children! Убей сибя апбасаеве!

I think 'marginalizing' is the wrong word. I'd say 'contextualizing'.

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

What do you know about all that? I can tell you, you know nothing.

Well, your two cents have certainly illuminated the issue for everyone. Ta.

Pointless neo-imperialistic wars which have taken the lives of more young Russians than Basayev could ever have hoped for; abductions in the middle of the night; slammers where the Geneva Convention don't hold no sway; and the rank Bush-administration-style hypocrisy of claiming that it's all about international terrorism and not, as it appears to everybody else, personal vendettas.

This, as far as I can make out, is the story of the last ten years in Chechnya.

Originally Posted by TATY

Oh boo to you.

I'm not even going to start with you, popfan.

joysof, maybe do you know solution of the Chechen problem? Anyone can cry about human rights and poor figthers for the freedom, but nobody from them has not realisitc plan how unravel this Gordian knot.

Well, anyway apparently the person in question did not die slowly after all. The vehicle he was driving was "chock a block" full of explosives when it exploded.

Pointless neo-imperialistic wars which have taken the lives of more young Russians than Basayev could ever have hoped for; abductions in the middle of the night; slammers where the Geneva Convention don't hold no sway; and the rank Bush-administration-style hypocrisy of claiming that it's all about international terrorism and not, as it appears to everybody else, personal vendettas.

Oh my dear, what neo-imperialistic wars are you talking about? Chechnya was a part of the Russian Empire since 18th century, when the Caucasian leaders begged for joining Russia to recieve protection from Turkish conquests. It was, it is and will always be the part of Russia. The absolute majority of its population are willing to be with Russia forever and they consider themselves Russians, this was the result of the referendum. The ones you consider "fighters for freedom" are a lame bunch of bandits and hired mercenaries from the Near East. They have nothing to fight for but money and power. And the last thing they desire is the happiness and prosperity of the Chechens.

I talked to several Chechen escapees who couldn't live in Chechnya anymore in fear of bandits.

And more, you don't know the history, you don't know the actual state of affairs, you don't know nothing.

Go enlighten yourself, then come back and discuss the topic.

Originally Posted by joysof

Originally Posted by Бармалей

And the "Assclown of the Week Award" goes to...YOU! Congratulations on marginalizing cold-blooded mass murder of children! Убей сибя апбасаеве!

I think 'marginalizing' is the wrong word. I'd say 'contextualizing'.

Actually I think you two are going to get along just fine!

Originally Posted by joysof

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

What do you know about all that? I can tell you, you know nothing.

Well, your two cents have certainly illuminated the issue for everyone. Ta.

Pointless neo-imperialistic wars which have taken the lives of more young Russians than Basayev could ever have hoped for; abductions in the middle of the night; slammers where the Geneva Convention don't hold no sway; and the rank Bush-administration-style hypocrisy of claiming that it's all about international terrorism and not, as it appears to everybody else, personal vendettas.

This, as far as I can make out, is the story of the last ten years in Chechnya.

What do YOU know about it?
It's very convenient to wave off everything in Chechnya to personal vendettas.
There are also power, money and oil being the major factors of the conflict.
Not to mention that war itself is a bloody but quite profitable business.

Some information I posess came to me from the hands of my former classmates who actually fought in Chechnya.

Originally Posted by Vincent Tailors

Oh my dear, what neo-imperialistic wars are you talking about? Chechnya was a part of the Russian Empire since 18th century, when the Caucasian leaders begged for joining Russia to recieve protection from Turkish conquests.

Russian Empire Russian Empire Russian Empire. You said it yourself. Russian (and Soviet) policy in such areas has always been motivated by the desire to maintain the territorial constituency of a geographical entity forever threatening to come apart at the seams. Any small stirrings of liberal democracy in Russia might have the same effect as Britain's 1945 government did on the great creaking edifice that was their empire. Shame shame.

There has been large scale resistance to Russian rule in Chechnya since your 18th century; the declaration of Ichkeria and all the subsequent chaos is a mere detail in a torrid history.

Did the Chechen nation beg to be deported to Kazakhstan, too?

The ones you consider "fighters for freedom"

Beg pardon. Where do I use that phrase?

I talked to several Chechen escapees who couldn't live in Chechnya anymore in fear of bandits.

I'd be scared of Kadyrov's goons too.

And more, you don't know the history, you don't know the actual state of affairs, you don't know nothing.

Keep an keen eye on the double negatives, friend!

Originally Posted by Ramil

What do YOU know about it?

Some information I posess came to me from the hands of my former classmates who actually fought in Chechnya.

I think you're confusing experience with knowledge. I've never been blown up at a checkpoint or kidnapped at gunpoint, but I've lived in Russia, twice met veterans of the Chechen wars (whose courage I'd never in a million years seek to undermine) and, hey, I've read a couple of books.

It would be nice if you'd respond to the things I actually say, rather than dismissing me as unentitled to an opinion.