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1. Если говорить о нашем отношении к геям, то слово "ненависть" не подходит. Подходит слово "целомудрие".Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
2. Если говорить о дискомфорте меньшинства (геев) в нашем обществе, то мне не понятно, почему его нужно заменить на дискомфорт большинства (гетеросексуалов).
3. Мне не понятно, почему мы ответственны за то, что геи испытывают дискомфорт от бесплодности их союзов.
Твоё отношение к геям называется "целомудрие", т.е. целомудренное? Интересно.Quote:
Originally Posted by Юрка
Мне непонятно... Здесь непонятно - одно слово.
My comment was to Eledhwen - because he sounds like he is full of hate. As I already said, I have no further comment regarding the gay rights issue. This topic has become too volatile, and too many personal accusations and attacks have been made. I am done with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Юрка
Ну "наши" бывают разные, и отношение у каждого своё. Я бы сказал "настороженность", и опасение в один прекрасный день проснуться в мире, перевёрнутом с ног на голову.Quote:
1. Если говорить о нашем отношении к геям, то слово "ненависть" не подходит. Подходит слово "целомудрие".
I will add one more thing. Perhaps Russians should be less concerned about gay protesters at the Games in Sochi, and more worried about Chechen terrorists.
Saudi Arabia is threatening Russia over its support of Syria's government:
Saudis offer Russia secret oil deal if it drops Syria - Telegraph
According to this article, Saudi Arabia is basically telling Russia "Stop helping Assad and we will give you oil. Keep helping Assad, and we will tell our Chechen friends to terrorize your citizens during the Winter Olympics in Sochi."
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As-Safir said Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord. “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” he allegedly said.
Значит эти страны, закрашенные красным, синим, голубым, все перевёрнутые верх ногами? Что-то не верится. По крайней мере, то, что я вижу вокруг вполне нормальное.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmixiv
"Sixteen countries now have the freedom to marry for same-sex couples nationwide (Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Iceland, Argentina, Denmark, France, Brazil, Uruguay, and New Zealand - plus Britain, which has passed a law that has not yet taken effect), while two others have regional or court-directed provisions enabling same-sex couples to share in the freedom to marry (Mexico and the United States). Many other countries provide some protections for such couples. As more and more countries and parts of the United States win the freedom to marry, we see that families are helped, and communities and countries made stronger, by protecting all loving committed couples. Click the map to enlargen it. (Last Updated: August 2013)" http://www.freedomtomarry.org/landsc.../international
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Originally Posted by Юрка
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(from the article by Linderman) Многодетный отец Ойген М., живущий в городе Хамм, попал в тюрьму за то, что его дочь Мелита пропустила 2 урока сексуального просвещения. Как выясняется, это далеко не единственный случай в Германии. Известно, что в другой школе 8 шестиклассников во время подобного урока потеряли сознание, увидев изображение половых органов.
What, was there a carbon-monoxide leak from the school's heating system? Were the children using large quantities of heroin and vodka? Did the "изображение половых органов" consist of video clips from Japanese "tentacle porn" anime, instead of anatomical illustrations from standard biology texts?
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Seriously, I'm having trouble understanding how EIGHT children passed out after seeing pictures of human genitals. I mean, it's possible that ONE child might have a hysterical fainting reaction to nakedness because his parents happened to be crazy religious fanatics and they used to burn him with cigarettes if he touched himself "down there" -- but EIGHT children in the same school? In my experience, the normal response of sixth-graders to pictures of sex organs is loud, howling laughter, not loss of consciousness.
I think there must be more to the story than Mr. Linderman says. Could it be that the children were only PRETENDING to faint, for reasons known to themselves?
But, at any rate, I think that:
(a) "sex-ed" lessons showing pictures of the sex organs are, in general, suitable for шестиклассники -- who, I assume, are about 11 years old, and therefore near the age of puberty (when their own sex organs will begin doing "strange" things); however
(b) parents should be able to keep their children out of sex-ed lessons -- if the above story is true, Melita's teacher acted wrongly by forcing the girl back into the classroom
Um.... we had "heaps" of religious sects even in colonial times, before the US existed. We've also had at least three or four major "Revivals" in American Protestantism, and we invented dozens of new religions in the 19th century -- most of which have disappeared, although the Jehovah's Witnesses are still around, while the Mormon Church has been extremely successful in spite of the very obvious evidence that Joseph Smith was a "bullshit artist." So it seems strange to say that the large number of sects is a symptom of religion in decline, at least in the American context.Quote:
Признаком разложения религии у [американцев] является возникновение кучи религиозных сект.
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А теперь опрос, чтобы, наконец расставить точки над “i”:
Хмммм... да, или нет, смотря как слово "норма" определяется.Quote:
(1) Лесбиянки, геи, бисексуалы и трансгендеры (ЛГБТ) — это норма?
Нет! Я очень рад о том что я родился мальчиком и (благодаря какому-то неизвестному влиянию) оказался гомосексуальным мужчиной. ОДНАКО, если бы в "загробной приёмной" Ангел Реинкарнации подошел бы к мне с вопросом, "Ты хочешь родиться девочкой в следующей жизни?", я ответил бы, "Давай-ка, почему нет, интересно попробовать, мне будет новое..." (А если б этот Ангел спросил, "Ты хочешь родиться гетеросексуальным мальчиком?", тут я ответил бы тоже: "Давай-ка, почему нет, интересно попробовать, мне будет новое...")Quote:
(2) Если бы у вас была возможность выбирать — вы изменили бы свой пол?
Словосочтение "давать дополнительные права" как-то не переводится на пиндостанский, извините... ("We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights")[/QUOTE]Quote:
(3) Следует ли давать ЛГБТ дополнительные права?
Следует ЛГБТ-ским людям продвигать свои сообщества -- своими деньги, из своих карманов. Все остальные люди не обязаны продвигать ЛГБТ-сообщества.Quote:
(4) Следует ли продвигать ЛГБТ-сообщества?
Что значит "направленное на формирование нетрадиционных сексуальных установок"?Quote:
(5) Допустимо ли распространение информации, направленное на формирование у несовершеннолетних нетрадиционных сексуальных установок?
Да -- иногда к лучшему. (But I admit that LGBT politics as they developed in the States have often been foolish or counterproductive.)Quote:
(6) Оказывают ли влияние ЛГБТ-сообщества на политическую жизнь страны?
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(7) Оказывают ли влияние ЛГБТ-сообщества на культурную жизнь страны?
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"Гипотенос, греческий бог прямого угла" -- oh, sorry, my mistake, this ISN'T an ancient pagan statue. It's actually "Jesus, My Super-Sexy Lord and Savior" by Michelangelo. (The golden тряпочка was NOT part of Michelangelo's original design -- it was added later.)
Государство должно принять законы, признающие однополые союзы/партнерства. А будет лучше всем, по-моему, если в законе такие союзы не назовутся "браками".Quote:
(8) Допустимы ли однополые браки?
Почему нет? Ведь 99% геев и лесбиянок были воспитаны гетеросексуальными родителями -- а всё-таки оказались "нетрадиционными". HOWEVER, as I wrote in another thread back in January, I don't think it's a good idea to allow gay adoptions in Russia UNLESS and UNTIL Russian society is willing to speak openly about the fact that some heterosexual parents have sisters or brothers who are gay, which means that a certain percentage of Russian children have gay aunts and uncles. If the existence of these "non-traditional" aunts and uncles is something that absolutely must be kept Top Secret (like nuclear launch codes!), then how can a society possibly have a rational argument about the pluses and minuses of gay parents raising children?Quote:
(9) Допустимо ли воспитание ребенка родителями одного пола?
Да -- но, пожалуй, гетеросексуальный развод и внебрачные беременности несут угрозу куда больше и хуже. (And does Russia have laws against telling minors that getting drunk is fun and normal?)Quote:
(10) Может ли ЛГБТ нести угрозу обществу? Почему?
at last! a first official cumin' out here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
It was never a secret here.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexsms
Bitter Scalia Leaves U.S. : The New Yorker :lol:
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)
" Justice Antonin Scalia dropped a bombshell on the Supreme Court today, announcing his decision to resign from the Court “effective immediately” and leave the United States forever.
Calling this week “by far the worst week of my life,” Justice Scalia lashed out at his fellow-Justices and the nation, saying, “I don’t want to live in a sick, sick country that thinks the way this country apparently thinks.”
Justice Scalia said that he had considered fleeing to Canada, “but they not only have gay marriage but also national health care, which is almost as evil.”
He said the fact that nations around the world recognizing same-sex marriage are “falling like deviant dominoes” would not deter him from leaving the United States: “There are plenty of other countries that still feel the way I do. I’ll move to Iran if I have to.”
Throwing off his robe in a dramatic gesture, Justice Scalia reserved his harshest parting shot for his fellow-Justices, screaming, “Damn you! Damn each and every one of you to hell! You call yourself judges? That’s a good one. You’re nothing but animals!”
Breathing heavily after his tirade, he turned to Justice Clarence Thomas and said, “Except you, Clarence. Are you coming with me?”
Justice Thomas said nothing in reply."
got it, i have misunderstood the "queer as a three-dollar-bill" phrase. I thought it meant the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampada
Да, я понял это. Достали мы Вас окончательно. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
Даже не знаю, что опаснее: угрозы саудовских террористов или угроза геев раскрасить всё цветами радуги. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
Но характерный факт: геи и террористы каким-то чудесным образом оказались в одной компании. Один умный человек сказал: "не важно, что делать, важно с кем".
Кстати, Рамзан Кадыров тоже обещал нам обеспечить безопасность в Сочи на Олимпиаде.
Смотря как показать сей предмет. Видимо, порнуха была ещё та. Я помню себя: порнографию я увидел впервые в 17-18 лет. До этого была только лёгкая эротика. Так вот, от порнухи мне тогда поплохело. Не затошнило, но что-то похожее. Так что, похоже на то, что к немцам мы в культурном смысле ближе, чем к американцам. Европа всё же.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
Возможно, что разложение религии началось уже тогда, ведь это не секундное дело, а исторический процесс. Три-четыре века для него - это не много. А то, что Европа вытесняла секты со своей территории, говорит о том, что Европа чувствовала угрозу для себя (для своей религии) уже тогда.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throbert McGee
It isn't that you "got" to me. It's that I have been ganged up on and personally attacked more than anyone else in this thread! I decided that I do not wish to discuss this topic with people who cannot reason and can only throw insults and do nasty things like hack my husband's website or encourage a mass exodus from this site - just because they disagree. I have said all I need to say about gay rights anyway. If you really "достали меня окончательно" I would have left this forum altogether. Instead, I have simply moved on to less volatile topics. Amazingly - the war in Syria is LESS volatile than this discussion about gay rights! I guess it is easier to talk about thousands of people being gassed to death, bombed and murdered - than to discuss two men kissing in public. Sad commentary on humanity, if you ask me.Quote:
Юрка:
Да, я понял это. Достали мы Вас окончательно.
This is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever seen. Where in hell do you come up with these crazy ideas??? Господи....Quote:
Но характерный факт: геи и террористы каким-то чудесным образом оказались в одной компании.
нормально всё-на, сейчас выпьем, добавим и разойдёмся...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
Я, как герой фильма Брат-2: "Мне здесь нравится, я хочу здесь жить! Я тут останусь!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
Ну, да, на данный момент всё спокойно на Дону... слава богу...Quote:
Originally Posted by alexsms
вот. это по-нашему, знали мы, что ты настоящая казачка.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deborski
"Religions are kept alive by heresies, which are really sudden explosions of faith. Dead religions do not produce them." Gerald Brenan (1894-1987) British writerQuote:
Originally Posted by Юрка
On the other hand, to the extent that a SPECIFIC religion is associated with national identity, and exists as an "established" church, then perhaps it's true that the appearance of new sects is a "threat." If Russian Orthodox Christians leave the church and embrace American-style Pentecostalism (a Protestant sect), then to some Russians this must be proof that religion is "decaying" in the Russian soul -- and a "net loss" for Russian identity.
Whereas Brenan would take the conversion to a non-Orthodox variety of Christianity as proof that some Russians continue to be intensely interested in religion, and in having a relationship with God/Jesus.
PS. Regarding the German children who fainted during sex-ed class -- perhaps you're right. It's difficult to be sure because neither of us actually knows what the pictures looked like, and whether they were truly of a pornographic character. But, incidentally, the first name of the father was given Оймен as in the story. And after thinking about it, I realized that this is actually the Cyrillic form of Öğmen-- a Turkish name. To me, this puts a different spin on the story; there was a "cultural clash" between the German school administrators and a non-German immigrant family.
Russia Raids Gay People's Homes | Advocate.com
From this article:
Has anyone heard of or seen this notice? Honest answers, please.Quote:
A notice allegedly from the government says any person who suspects that a neighbor or tenant disseminates "homosexual propaganda" should contact the police immediately.
"Increase your vigilance when you talk to your neighbors, when you are checking your mail and in elevators," the notice says, according to a translation. "You can easily become a target of homosexual propaganda. There is one step from being homosexual and to start propaganda of homosexualism and molesting decent people."
Russian prosecutors reportedly raided the home of activist and lawyer Nikolai Alexeyev. According to Reuters, officials ransacked Alexeyev's home and removed several pieces of electronic equipment.