Thread: A question about Russian dating practices and "going dutch"

I think this discussion needs to get back on track rather than continue any personal mudslinging.
Seems to me that both Anixx and Deborsky were taking a slightly provocative stereotypical view on these things, based on their respective backgrounds - there is no right or wrong in this matter - to each his own. But I agree with Marcus that what Anixx said does not make him a pedophile. To say that couples have sexual desires in their teens and that this is a good time to have children is more like some extreme branch of natural philosophy or something... And of course, a few hundred or thousand years ago, it was the norm...

I am going to start a separate thread about womens issues in Russia because it is an interesting question and I don't know much about what the situation is like at the moment.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Seems to me that both Anixx and Deborsky were taking a slightly provocative stereotypical view on these things, based on their respective backgrounds

You said it very well, Hanna! And put it so mildly! "Белены объелись", - I would say

Originally Posted by Anixx

This may mean that you could not find a younger girl. Because they are in great deficit. Just imagine. If in your place (USA) age of consent is 18, this means
that all men from 18 to 60 want a 18-25 years old girl. Divide 7 by 42. You get 0.166 Evidently it would be VERY hard to find a free girl of this age.

If the age of consent lowered by just 2 years, the proportion would be 9/42=0.214, the chance to find a young wife would be 30% greater!

Awesome logic but you failed

I've got married in Russia
And I've dated girls younger and older than me, before that
I didn't have any problems finding younger girls but I guess word love has nothing to say to you
Because you obviously like statistics more

Originally Posted by Anixx

Actually if you look at the ages of sexually active men and women you can see the following.
The sexual activity of men as about 14-70, sexual activity of women is about 14-40.

The problem here is that men have peak of sexual activity at the age of 18 but women at the age of 28, so, first - it confronts you theory completely and second studies show that most of men active at 20s and 50s and significantly less active at 40s, 30s, 60s, and 70s (in this order)

Originally Posted by Anixx

So for each sexually active woman there are about 2 sexually active men. This creates a
strict deficit of sexually active women.

I guess you only good in simple math, something a little bit more complex didn't cross your mind
Have you considered that number of man and women living on this planet is not the same and also did you look into the life expectancy?
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Соотношение_полов

Anyway
If we talk about the US
Here is the statistics - http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005061.html
The difference is about two years, I don't think it's very significant, I also think that this difference covers differentiation of puberty of males and females. Please also notice that age of 18 is not median for the marriage in the US
And Russia is very close to the US - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_at_first_marriage

Also population in the US - 49.2% males and 50.8% females
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004925.html


There is another thing that you didn't think of. Age 21-25 is considered the completion of development of brain's frontal lobes. Frontal lobes are very important and they basically separate children from adults.
"The executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events. Therefore, it is involved in higher mental functions." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontal_lobe
By that age people should understand what marriage is and start searching for a partner

Originally Posted by Doomer

Awesome logic but you failed

I've got married in Russia

Well this only shows how difficult to find a wife in the USA. You married an older woman from abroad. The feminist dream! Women are in such deficit that you have to go to other countries!

Originally Posted by Anixx

Well this only shows how difficult to find a wife in the USA. You married an older woman from abroad. The feminist dream! Women are in such deficit that you have to go to other countries!

Man, you are so narrow minded
I'm Russian, that's why I've got married in Russia. I'd been living there at the time I've got married

Originally Posted by Anixx

Well this only shows how difficult to find a wife in the USA. You married an older woman from abroad. The feminist dream! Women are in such deficit that you have to go to other countries!

Doomer is originally from Russia.

Меня опередили.

Originally Posted by Doomer

Man, you are so narrow minded
I'm Russian, that's why I've got married in Russia. I'd been living there at the time I've got married

Well, as I like to say, it's blind hate that makes one really narrow minded. And Anixx, before you go deep into sexual adventures with underaged girls, ask yourself if you really hate the U.S. system and mentality much enough to break the law and go to jail.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Well, as I like to say, it's blind hate that makes one really narrow minded. And Anixx, before you go deep into sexual adventures with underaged girls, ask yourself if you really hate the U.S. system and mentality much enough to break the law and go to jail.

Well I am not in US so what's the point?

Originally Posted by Anixx

Well I am not in US so what's the point?

The point is, this law is pretty much similar everywhere, at least it definitely is in Russia where I'm guessing you are.

The point is, this law is pretty much similar everywhere,

Age of consent is different in different countries, in the USA it is the highest AFAIK. In Russia sex with a a biologically sexually mature girl is not punishable regardless of age.

Originally Posted by Anixx

Age of consent is different in different countries, in the USA it is the highest AFAIK. In Russia sex with a a biologically sexually mature girl is not punishable regardless of age.

I think Marcus said the age of consent in Russia was 16. I guess if you molest a teen under that age you'll still be prosecuted, won't you?

Originally Posted by Anixx

... In Russia sex with a a biologically sexually mature girl is not punishable regardless of age.

Sounds sick. I doubt that you'd tell it to your daughters or to your younger sisters.

I think Marcus said the age of consent in Russia was 16. I guess if you molest a teen under that age you'll still be prosecuted, won't you?

If she did not reach sexual maturity.

Sounds sick. I doubt that you'd tell it to your daughters or to your younger sisters.

Tell what? What is written in the law? I do not think it is neccessary for girls to know. This information is much more neccessary for boys.
If I had son I would be very afraid of his possible sex with girls under 16 because tens of thousands boys has been imprisoned for that since 2003 in Russia, when age of consent was upped from 14 to 16 under Western pressure. This is a real risk for all parents who has boys.

Of course those boys are getting beaten, raped, molested in the prisons, but males' rights do not concern the feminist state.

Just to clarify:

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally those under the age of 14, though onset of puberty varies). The prepubescent child must be at least five years younger than the adolescent before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia.[1][2][3][4][5]

Source:
Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By "pedophile" I am referring to guys over 18 who prefer girls under 14. So, if anixx only prefers girls over 14, he is not a pedophile technically. But he still has stated he prefers girls between 14 and 18 - and I find that disgusting personally.

I am not disgusted by an 18-year-old guy who loves his sweetheart from school, who happens to be 15. That is a different situation. They are both teenagers.

I am talking about a man, who is already out of school, who specifically looks for little girls under 18. Anixx's comment about underage girls being a "blank sheet of paper" tells me that he wants a girl whose mind has not developed. It is a very shallow view, from someone who does not have the maturity to relate to a woman who knows her own mind and knows what she wants in love.

As for me, my husband is 8 years younger! So I am certainly not opposed to dating people who are younger or older, as long as both people in the relationship are adults. He was already 27 when we met. By contrast, if I had been 20, he would have only been 13 - and that would have been too young. So a lot depends on how old the person is when they meet someone.

Anixx's comment about underage girls being a "blank sheet of paper" tells me that he wants a girl whose mind has not developed.

I have already specifyed what do I mean. This mostly means that their brain is not polluted with

- experience with other men (especially, negative experience but positive as well)

- religion, politics etc.

- mercantilism

As for me, my husband is 8 years younger! So I am certainly not opposed to dating people who are younger or older, as long as both people in the relationship are adults. He was already 27 when we met.

This is the outcome of your feminist society. Your state prohibits him to meet with younger girls and his peers are too inaccessible for him. So he has to mate an older woman. For a 27 years old guy it is more natural to meet a 16 or 17 years old girl than a 36-years old woman.

By contrast, if I had been 20, he would have only been 13 - and that would have been too young.

As I already said, adult women usually have no sexual attraction to teenage men. Cases of women's pedophilia or other relations with underages are very limited in number regardless of whether it is prohibited. This is a clearly anti-male law.

Originally Posted by Lampada

Sounds sick. I doubt that you'd tell it to your daughters or to your younger sisters.

Why? That was the law in the Soviet Union. What harm is done to them by sex? Why are you talking about girls and not about boys?

This is the outcome of your feminist society. Your state prohibits him to meet with younger girls and his peers are too inaccessible for him.

Can't it be the result of his love, for example?
There is a man on the Lingvoforum, who expresses somewhat similar views as Anixx, but he wants an experienced woman, not a virgin.

I have already specifyed what do I mean. This mostly means that their brain is not polluted with

- experience with other men (especially, negative experience but positive as well)

- religion, politics etc.

- mercantilism

But the experience of relationships with men also teaches her tact, patience and other good things. Why do you think that religion, politics and mercantilism are completely alien for a teenager?

Originally Posted by Marcus

Why? That was the law in the Soviet Union. What harm is done to them by sex? Why are you talking about girls and not about boys?

Oh yeah? No harm? Grown men with young teenage girls? Sick! Same as the older woman with teenage boy, but how often this could happen? Not so much.