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    Natives disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Matryoshka
    LOL lots of russian as if i would understand it all come on!!! even the native speakers cannot agree on the same thing?
    Sometimes I'm amazed at the differences in English as well. Around New York City people often say, "I stood on line for two hours for tickets." The first time I heard that, I thought the speaker was an uneducated pinhead. It just sounds wrong. But it's normal for them. Most of the rest of the country says, "I stood in line."

    And the British versus American differences suprise me. In response to "Have you cleaned your room yet?" a British child might respond, "Yes, I have done." But an American would never say that. An American would say, "Yes, I have." I remember the first time I heard a Brit say, "Yes, I have done." It sounded so very odd.

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    I saw people from all parts of the English speaking world agrue here about what they thought right regarding pronounciation and spelling.
    Being a non-native speaker I understood one thing - there's no such thing as perfect English. It's different in every part of the world so different rules apply to the term 'perfect' That doesn't make learning easier and gives me a lot of headache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramil
    Being a non-native speaker I understood one thing - there's no such thing as perfect English. It's different in every part of the world so different rules apply to the term 'perfect' That doesn't make learning easier and gives me a lot of headache.
    That I can understand but as a writer I'm glad of the many loopholes I have to get away with so called 'bad' english.
    There are english purists out there who try and hang on to the modern origional language. But I dont see the point, all languages evolve and certanly english has evolved beyone recognition from over a couple of centuries. And thats just the individual words, let alone the diverse accents.
    More madness than method but it works for me.

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    I think that as many non-native english speakers join the global community (everyone who has to speak or write or read English) English loses some of its finer points and turns into something synthetic. Russia speaks English, China speaks English, India, Middle East, Far East, South-East Asia, Europe and both Americas - English became truly an international language. I think its grammar will simplify further as years pass and most of its sharp and fine edges will be lost.
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    Re: Natives disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by doninphxaz
    Sometimes I'm amazed at the differences in English as well. Around New York City people often say, "I stood on line for two hours for tickets." The first time I heard that, I thought the speaker was an uneducated pinhead. It just sounds wrong. But it's normal for them. Most of the rest of the country says, "I stood in line."
    So, which of the prepositions you consider as a correct one? (You haven't specified that in your post ) . As for me, I would use 'at' . Is it correct?

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    Ahem... at, you say?.. Explain yourself!
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Re: Natives disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by doninphxaz
    Quote Originally Posted by Matryoshka
    LOL lots of russian as if i would understand it all come on!!! even the native speakers cannot agree on the same thing?
    Просто некоторые "нэтивы" рассматривают предложение с точки зрения только грамматики (нет ли в нем грамматических ошибок), а другие - с точки зрения того, насколько по-русски оно звучит.
    Очень часто предложение, не содержащее грамматических ошибок, может звучать неестественно.

    Я уже молчу про "нэтивов", которые забыли русский язык много лет назад.
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    Re: Natives disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    Я уже молчу про "нэтивов", которые забыли русский язык много лет назад.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Ahem... at, you say?.. Explain yourself!

    I stood on line for two hours for tickets.

    Если это предложение переводиться как: Я стоял на линии два часа за билетами.

    И если 'on' в этом случае это 'на'. То рискну предположить что, он хочеть сказать, что "стоять на линии" в данном контексте не верно. Поэтому, я предлагаю at ("стоять у линии"). Но, что за конкретную линию он имеет ввиду я так и не понял.

    Это предложение типа: I stood at the bus stop.

    Может быть я ошибаюсь, и всё написанное на верху чушь.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xkalibur
    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Ahem... at, you say?.. Explain yourself!

    I stood on line for two hours for tickets.

    Если это предложение переводится как: Я стоял на линии два часа за билетами.

    И если 'on' в этом случае это 'на'. То рискну предположить что, он хочеть сказать, что "стоять на линии" в данном контексте не верно. Поэтому, я предлагаю at ("стоять у линии"). Но, что за конкретную линию он имеет в_ виду я так и не понял.

    Это предложение типа: I stood at the bus stop.

    Может быть я ошибаюсь, и всё написанное наверху чушь.
    Ну почему бы не стоять «на» линии? Только артикль добавить.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rtyom
    Quote Originally Posted by Xkalibur
    Но_ что за конкретную линию он имеет в_ виду, я так и не понял.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xkalibur
    То рискну предположить что, он хочет_ сказать, что "стоять на линии" в данном контексте неверно.

    Может быть, я ошибаюсь, и всё написанное выше - чушь.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xkalibur
    Но, что за конкретную линию он имеет ввиду я так и не понял.
    В очереди он стоял.
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    English loses some of its finer points and turns into something synthetic.
    Some people believe it turns into 'something isolating.'
    Just a joke. I see what you mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaya
    English loses some of its finer points and turns into something synthetic.
    Some people believe it turns into 'something isolating.'
    Just a joke. I see what you mean.
    I see you know some linguistics.
    «И всё, что сейчас происходит внутре — тоже является частью вселенной».

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    Re: Natives disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by Xkalibur
    So, which of the prepositions you consider as a correct one? (You haven't specified that in your post ) . As for me, I would use 'at' . Is it correct?
    For the meaning «Я стоял в очереди» only the "I stood in line" version sounds correct to me. That's true for most of the US.

    I don't think anyone would say "I stood at line."

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    Re: Natives disagree

    Quote Originally Posted by doninphxaz
    Quote Originally Posted by Xkalibur
    So, which of the prepositions you consider as a correct one? (You haven't specified that in your post ) . As for me, I would use 'at' . Is it correct?
    For the meaning «Я стоял в очереди» only the "I stood in line" version sounds correct to me. That's true for most of the US.

    I don't think anyone would say "I stood at line."
    I agree. I never hear "stood at line". Always either "in line" or "on line". In America, at least, "on line" sounds especially strange because of the Internet making the phrase "on line" relate most often to computers. It makes me wonder what a native Brit would say about that. I'll ask... hang on.

    OK, I couldn't get ahold of my English friend, but I found this: "On line" is apparently a regionalism; The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage declares: "Few besides New Yorkers speak of standing on line. Follow the usage of the rest of the English-speaking world: in line." The "on" version may be spreading, but "in" is still the unassailable choice.
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