Quote Originally Posted by Scorpio
Quote Originally Posted by Gollandski Yozh
@Scorpio

In other words, people starved for their own benefit?

"Yes, poor Ukrainians, now you all are dying of hunger, because we are exporting food, but don't worry, in two years you will all have brand new tractors! Aren't you happy? And you thank it all to our Glorious Leader, tovarish Stalin!"
Yozh, are you sarcastic? Why?
Yes, they were starving for their own (and future generations) benefit. Please, give me an example of any famine in Ukraine, happened between 1945 and 1991. You can't? Aren't their absence somewhat beneficial?

There's the difference between the Stalin's times and present days: I have no idea, for whose benefits people in Ukraine (and in Russia, and other former Soviet republics...) are starving now. Corrupt local authorities? Corrupt western-beloved nation-wide politicians? Corrupt world economy "elite"?
But not for their own benefit, I'm 100% sure.


Than the Jews must be really thanking Hitler right now. Hadn't they been dying in large numbers during WWII, Israel wouldn't have existed....

Look, people who think everything is justified in the name of the Greater Good scare me to death. They are always ready to take innocent lives in their quest for a future Utopia.

Collectivization and before that the mir stood in the way of progress. It wasn't necessary to kill hundreds of thousands (I can feel a fight on numbers coming here...). No collectivization = higher food production. Look at the West or Eastern Europe (more on the same technological level as Russia at that time). Stalin screwed everything up with collectivization (killing numerous so-called "kulaks" in the process) and later "saved" the people by mechanizing the country side. Yeah, right...