Thread: Pro or Anti Stalin

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Ok, if it makes you feel better, you can call it "deliberate mass killings". And I would still insist that it was genocide, maybe not ethnic genocide but "class genocide" - the bolsheviks just wanted the people that were more successful than them to die, and of course, to rob their houses and grab what they had managed to produce so that they wouldn't have to make it on their own.

I can agree with you naming it "class genocide", even if massive death toll among peasants was not a goal, but mostly a byproduct of policy at that time. What I don't like is people calling it genocide, implying it was ethnic, i.e. turning it into Russians vs. Ukrainians affair (with current Ukrainian official policy actively supporting this point of view).

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

(with current Ukrainian official policy actively supporting this point of view).

are you sure Yanukovich's regime upholds this nonesense? i don't think so
this rhetoric has been considerably toned down
not sure what they teach in schools though

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Ok, if it makes you feel better, you can call it "deliberate mass killings". And I would still insist that it was genocide, maybe not ethnic genocide but "class genocide" - the bolsheviks just wanted the people that were more successful than them to die, and of course, to rob their houses and grab what they had managed to produce so that the bolsheviks wouldn't have to make it on their own.

i can't speak for the bolsheviks and can't know what was on their mind but i too disagree with the genocide statement
the peasantry in its mass wasn't wealthy by far especially with the collectivization going on so their assumed 'success' envied by the bolsheviks was non-existent
by the beginning of the 30's i believe the majority of peasants had joined collective farms, forced upon them by the very bolsheviks, so it would be inaccurate to set them against each other, the peasantry had already been playing by the bolsheviks rules