Thread: Pro or Anti Stalin

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Иосиф Сталин

Stalin's public executions.
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Originally Posted by diogen_

Stalin's public executions.
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What you find bad in these executions? These are war-time public executions of pro-Nazi traitors, Nazi "polizei" staff, possibly SS-men and so on. That's why they were hanged, a very unusual practice in the USSR where normally people were shot not in public.

Originally Posted by Anixx

What you find bad in these executions? These are war-time public executions of pro-Nazi traitors, Nazi "polizei" staff, possibly SS-men and so on. That's why they were hanged, a very unusual practice in the USSR where normally people were shot not in public.

You're imagining things, aren't you? How do you know that the video is about pro-Nazi traitors?

If it were so do you really approve these medieval executions?

Anyway, I have a link with the same video and the opposite comment.

www.gulag.ipvnews.org/
(here in the top right corner everybody can also find the English interpretation of what the woman yells)

Закрытая, замазанная, зарытая тема. Публичные казни широко проводились в период коллективизации, гражданской войны и в 40-е годы. Среди крупных городов, жители которых были свидетелями этих актов средневекового мракобесия, следует назвать Ленинград. Казни проводились на площади Калинина, у кинотеатра “Гигант”. Через прилегающие улицы натягивались тросы, на каждый из которых крепились по две петли. Приговоренных подвозили на грузовых автомобилях с откинутыми бортами; по одному в каждой машине. После зачитывания приговоров, набрасывали петли и автомашины отъезжали...

Could you give any evidence that the above is fabricated?

Originally Posted by diogen_

You're imagining things, aren't you? How do you know that the video is about pro-Nazi traitors?

Because any other people were not publicly hanged. Hanging was used by the Czarist Russia and by the Whites. The Soviets generally abandoned this practice with only a small exception during WWII.

The soldiers wear the WWII uniform and one soldier on the video holds a PPSh submachine gun that would not be used in the peacetime. PPSh was exploited starting from 1941.

Originally Posted by diogen_

If it were so do you really approve these medieval executions?

Do you disapprove the "medieval execution" of Nazi war criminals in Nuremberg?

Originally Posted by diogen_

Закрытая, замазанная, зарытая тема. Публичные казни широко проводились в период коллективизации, гражданской войны и в 40-е годы. Среди крупных городов, жители которых были свидетелями этих актов средневекового мракобесия, следует назвать Ленинград. Казни проводились на площади Калинина, у кинотеатра “Гигант”. Через прилегающие улицы натягивались тросы, на каждый из которых крепились по две петли. Приговоренных подвозили на грузовых автомобилях с откинутыми бортами; по одному в каждой машине. После зачитывания приговоров, набрасывали петли и автомашины отъезжали...
Could you give any evidence that the above is fabricated?

Public executions in Leningrad were only performed during WWII. Hanging was also used only during WWII.
The above comment makes impression that public executions by hanging were performed in Leningrad during collectivization and the Civil War, which is not true.
The video of hanging of pro-Nazi traitors is used to make impression that in the similar way the USSR was executing people in peace time.

While the Reds possibly used mass executions during the Civil war, they did never use hanging and unlikely performed so in Leningrad, which was far from the front line.

And of course, this topic was never "covered up", as the text claims. The public executions of pro-Nazi traitors during WWII were always well known.

And here you can read more detailed description of the site you linked to:
http://actualhistory.ru/melnikoff

It seems that the chief editor behind this site is a known falsifier photographer Leonid Melnikoff.

And here is the explanation of the video:

Для начала определим, что представляет собой запись. Смертная казнь через повешение была введена в СССР 19 апреля 1943 г. для изменников и военных преступников (т.о. относительно «коллективизации» — бред). В ролике имеет место монтаж из съемок двух разных экзекуций. В первом случае вешают полицаев, а там где на табличках видны фамилии осужденных — казнь убийц из зондеркоманды СС-10-А в Краснодаре в 1943 г.

So the video is glued from two pieces, the first is the execution of the "polizei", and in the second part is the execution of the Sonderkommando SS-10-A in Krasnodar. Capital punishment was introduced for traitors and war criminals in the USSR in 1943.

Sonderkommando SS-10-A is known for many atrocities including murdering 214 children in gas vans http://eysk.net/history/zonderkomanda.html

The events showed in the video were never covered up and the descriptions were published in the books. Regarding the claim about cross-street ropes, it is completely made up by Melnikoff.
Regarding "medieval practice" it is said that in France for example, all executions werre mandatory public until 1939. In the USSR this was only a war-time exception.

Public executions in Leningrad were only performed during WWII. Hanging was also used only during WWII.

I enjoy your assertiveness. Did we continue WWII in 1946?

The woman on the previous video yells, "Разоблачить! И еще больше можем разоблачить, которые остались! Никто не стесняйтесь, не бойтесь!" How can it be referred to the war criminals who had been already arrested and trialed? Sounds a little bit inconsistent with your interpretation of the video.

I enjoy your assertiveness. Did we continue WWII in 1946?

This is a fragment of a film "Blokada" about Blockade of Leningrad. It shows the execution of 8 German war criminals on 05 Jan 1946, including former Pskov commandant Heinrich Remlinger. Of 11 accused 8 were sentenced to death. This was the only public execution in Leningrad.

The main thing that Stalin did, that I find very repulsive, is allowing regular people to be labelled "enemies of the state" and similar based on hearsay, gossip among neighbours and reading private correspondence, then sending them to labour camps that were so harsh that many died.

I do not know your skills in Russian but I suggest you to read this document signed by Stalin and Molotov:
Молотов В.М., Сталин И.В. Об арестах, прокурорском надзоре и ведении следствия: Постановление Совета Народных Комиссаров ССС