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    Детские книжки. Читать! Читать! Читать!

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    Hey..

    what age do Russian kids have the abillity to read the harry potter series in russian and understand everything?

    About the age of 10-11?

    Thanks

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    Re: a question about russian kids and their knowledge

    9 yrs. 7 mos. and 2 days on avg.
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    Sperk is right.... Also, "extensive research" shows that at that age, 52.8% of Russian kids are aware that:

    1) The Harry Potter books are rather formulaic and not exactly great litterature.
    2) On the other hand some of the best litterature in the world is in Russian and therefore it's not really necessary to turn to Harry Potter when looking for something to read in Russian....

    But seriously.... I have been meaning to ask this: What are some good children's classic books / favourites in Russian?

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    I don't see how Russian children would be any different from their English/American counterparts when it comes to understanding Harry Potter... 10-11 years must be all right for the first books. Actually I'm sure they can be read at 7-8 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    But seriously.... I have been meaning to ask this: What are some good children's classic books / favourites in Russian?
    Er... I think there's a special thread for this, but anyway... starrysky's favourite children's books:

    Астрид Линдгрен - "Малыш и Карлсон", "Приключения Эмиля из Леннеберги" (that was one of my first books, love it still, it's such a hoot) http://www.lib.ru/LINDGREN/

    Милн А. - Винни Пух и все-все-все http://www.lib.ru/MILN/winnizah.txt

    Туве Янссон - "Волшебная зима" и вообще все муми-тролли http://www.lib.ru/JANSSON/

    Ганс Христиан Андерсен - всякие разные сказки, моя любимая - "Русалочка" http://www.lib.ru/TALES/ANDERSEN/

    Носов - "Мишкина каша" and other short stories http://www.lib.ru/NOSOW/fantaz.txt

    Драгунский - "Денискины рассказы" (short stories) http://www.lib.ru/PRIKL/DRAGUNSKIJ/denis.txt

    Остер - "Вредные советы" http://www.heretics.com/tavern/vredsov.htm

    Сергей Белоусов - "Приключения Печенюшкина" http://www.lib.ru/search/?query=%EF%...D&group1=sites

    Александра Бруштейн - a trilogy: "Дорога уходит вдаль", "В рассветный час", "Весна" (that's mostly for girls, I think - it's about a Jewish girl living in late 19th century Russia, very interesting, I should say) http://www.lib.ru/PROZA/BRUSHTEJN/

    Гераскина - "В стране невыученных уроков" http://www.lib.ru/TALES/geraskina.txt

    and so on, and so forth...

    I once worked for a year in a bookshop and I was given the children's literature section. First I hated it, but in a few months I was converted and became a huge fan of children's books - they are usually so beautifully illustrated, yum!
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    Re: a question about russian kids and their knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    What are some good children's classic books / favourites in Russian?
    In my early childhood, my favourite books were Винни-Пух (Winnie-the-Pooh), Волшебник изумрудного города (Master of Oz), Маугли (?), Малыш и Карлсон (?), and textbook of astronomy for 11 grade. Nowadays, I guess, children prefers computer games.
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    "Mary Poppins", "Robinson Crusoe", "Gulliver", "Cipollino" were my favourite. Sherlock Holmes came a bit later (12 y.o.).
    But the most genius children's book to me was (and is) "The Little Prince" by Exupery. I felt emotional shock when I had read it. I was a child, but I remember I told myself it was genius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    1) The Harry Potter books are rather formulaic and not exactly great litterature.
    2) On the other hand some of the best litterature in the world is in Russian and therefore it's not really necessary to turn to Harry Potter when looking for something to read in Russian....
    Actually a case could be made that the books are in fact perfect litterature, if maybe not literature.

    Sorry, couldn't resist...

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    German perfectionist caught in the act!
    Haha, I thought that was American spelling... It just looks so "wrong" with only one "t". Are you SURE about this ? I've always spelled it with "tt" and nobody's complained before.....

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    It just looks wrong to you because Swedish doesn't know how to spell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Оля
    "Mary Poppins", "Robinson Crusoe", "Gulliver", "Cipollino" were my favourite. Sherlock Holmes came a bit later (12 y.o.).
    But the most genius children's book to me was (and is) "The Little Prince" by Exupery. I felt emotional shock when I had read it. I was a child, but I remember I told myself it was genius.
    I had "The Little Prince" on my bookshelf but I didn't understand it as a child and therefore didn't like it. Only as an adult I was able to appreciate it and I know other people with the same experience. I've always had this feeling that this book is not for children.

    As for Harry Potter I think it's just the ticket for many... khm... modern children/teens. No other kids book deals with such issues as bullying, death, etc. That was the cause of HP's success, I suppose - it was the first book that had an underdog protagonist.
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    My favourite book was The Adventures of Pinocchio/Приключения Пиноккио.



    I loved very old (1939) film too. =)

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    Interesting list so far! But most the books are not by Russian authors. Perhaps childrens' literature is not something that interests Russian authors much.

    I saw a theatre production of "The Little Prince" as a kid... AWESOME. Later in my teens I was supposed to read it in (original) French.... Haha, that didn't go very well....

    What about some of the German classics: Heidi, Emil and the Thieves... Twin girls Lotta. etc.... and books by Gudrun Pausewang...

    Happy to see that lots of Scandinavian books are on the popular list: The Momin Troll, Karlsson.... etc.


    I saw a different Pinnochio than the one BappaBa links to. It was in colour but still quite old. Not sure what country it was from.

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    Re: a question about russian kids and their knowledge

    Was Harry Potter chosen as a kind of Big Mak index, so that every nation's children read it?
    I don't think it's a good choice since this book is unlikely one to be read forever.

    As for Russian children's reading, I think a child book 600 pages long or more can be done by a 9-100 years old kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    Interesting list so far! But most the books are not by Russian authors. Perhaps childrens' literature is not something that interests Russian authors much.
    There are a lot of Russian children's authors that haven't been mentioned yet. Some of them are more popular than others. Quite a lot of them wrote in Soviet times. It just so happens that it is mostly foreign authors that are children's favourites. To add to the list:

    Эдуард Успенский - his books and cartoons are very popular - the saga about the Prostokvashino village/the Buttermilk village: Дядя Фёдор, пёс и кот, Привидение из Простоквашино, Зима в Простоквашино, Праздники в деревне Простоквашино, Неприятности в Простоквашино, Клад из деревни Простоквашино; Крокодил Гена и его друзья, Про Веру и Анфису.
    The 3 cartoons can be found here http://multiki.arjlover.net/multiki/ (letter "П" - "Простоквашино: Трое из простоквашино", "Простоквашино: Каникулы в Простоквашино", "Простоквашино: Зима в Простоквашино").

    Осеева - "Динка", "Васек Трубачев"
    Аркадий Гайдар - "Тимур и его команда", "Чук и Гек", "Судьба барабанщика"
    Валентин Катаев - "Белеет парус одинокий", сказки "Дудочка и кувшинчик", "Цветик-семицветик"
    Каверин - "Два капитана", сказка "Песочные часы"
    Анатолий Алексин - "Необычайные похождения Севы Котлова" и др.
    Анатолий Рыбаков - "Кортик", "Бронзовая птица", "Выстрел"
    Бажов - "Сказы": "Серебряное копытце", "Хозяйка медной горы" и др.
    Софья Прокофьева - "Ученик волшебника", "Остров капитанов", "Астрель и хранитель леса", "Приключения желтого чемоданчика"
    Бианки, Сладков, Паустовский, Снегирев, Ушинский, Михалков, Соколов-Микитов, Мамин-Сибиряк - they all wrote mostly about nature, animals.
    Поликарпова - "Две березы на холме"
    Сотник - "Эликсир Купрума Эса"
    Антоний Погорельский - "Черная курица, или подземные жители"
    Лазарь Лагин - "Старик Хоттабыч" http://www.lib.ru/LAGIN/
    Губарев - "Королевство кривых зеркал"
    Маршак С. Я.
    Александрова - "Домовенок Кузя"
    Евгений Шварц - "Сказка о потерянном времени" http://www.gumer.info/bibliotek_Buks...c/sk_potvr.php
    Олеша - "Три толстяка"
    Петр Ершов - "Конек-горбунок"
    Г. Белых и Л. Пантелеев - "Республика Шкид"
    Лев Кассиль - "Кондуит и Швамбрания"
    Чеповецкий - "Приключения шахматного солдата Пешкина", "Мышонок Мыцик"
    Агния Барто, Корней Чуковский - those are for very young readers.

    And others...

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    What about some of the German classics: Heidi, Emil and the Thieves... Twin girls Lotta. etc.... and books by Gudrun Pausewang...
    I know only one German children's book author - Otfried Preussler (Отфрид Пройслер) and his three books The Little Witch, The Little Water Sprite, and The Little Ghost (Die kleine Hexe, Der kleine Wassermann, Das Kleine Gespenst / Маленькая колдунья/баба-яга, Маленький водяной, Маленькое привидение). They are great! I know he also wrote The Satanic Mill/The Curse of the Darkling Mill (originally: Krabat) and a screen adaptation was made but I haven't read or seen it. I have "The Little Witch" in the original in German but I'm not quite up to reading it yet.

    From Wikipedia:
    Отфрид Пройслер (нем. Otfried Preußler, род. 20 октября 1923, Рейхенберг, Германия) — немецкий детский писатель, по национальности — лужичанин (лужицкий серб). Наиболее известные произведения: «Маленькая баба-яга», «Маленькое привидение», «Маленький водяной» и «Крабат, или Легенды старой мельницы».
    Родился в 20 октября 1923 в Рейхенберге (Северная Богемия). Отец Отфрида увлекался историей родного края и привил эту любовь сыну. После окончания школы Пройслер был отправлен воевать на Восточный Фронт, а в 1944 году лейтенантом попадает в советский плен. Вернувшись в 1949 году из плена, Пройслер с большим трудом отыскивает свох родных и невесту, на которой он в том же году женится. Более двадцати лет (до 1970 года) работает учителем и директором школы в Баварии. В это же время начинает писать сказки «Маленький водяной», «Маленькая Баба-Яга», «Маленькое привидение», весьма нетрадиционные для немецкой детской литературы — в его произведениях по определению злые герои выступают в ролях положительных. Однако вершиной писательского мастерства для Пройслера стала сказка «Крабат, или Легенды старой мельницы», написанную по мотивам легенд лужицких сербов, западнославянской народности, проживающих на востоке Германии по берегам Шпрее.
    Всего Пройслером написано 32 книги, которые переведены около 275 раз на 55 языков мира и получили различные премии. Суммарный тираж его книг достигает 55 миллионов экземпляров.
    Пройслер живёт и работает в Гайденголзен недалеко от Розенгайма. С тех пор, как он удалился от дел, Пройслер начал писать о пережитом в советском плену. Однако его воспоминания будут опубликованы лишь после его смерти.
    Otfried Preußler (sometimes spelled as Otfried Preussler) (born October 20, 1923) is a German children's books author. His best-known works are The Robber Hotzenplotz and The Satanic Mill (Krabat).
    He was born in Liberec (German: Reichenberg), Czechoslovakia. His forefathers had lived in this area since the 15th century, working in the glass industry. His parents were teachers. After he graduated school in 1942, in the midst of World War II, he was drafted into the Wehrmacht Heer. Although he survived the military action on the Eastern Front, he was taken prisoner as a 21 year old lieutenant in 1944. He spent the next five years in various POW camps in the Tatar Republic.
    After his release in June 1949, he was lucky to find in the Bavarian town of Rosenheim his displaced relatives and his fiancée, Annelies Kind. They celebrated their wedding that same year.
    Between 1953 and 1970 he was initially a primary school teacher, then a school principal in Rosenheim. There his talents as a storyteller and illustrator were put to good use, and often the stories he told the children would later be written down and published.
    He won the Deutscher Jugendliteraturpreis in 1972 for Krabat.
    Preußler currently resides in Haidholzen, near Rosenheim.
    In 1991 a cartoon was made in Russia about the Little Witch. It can be downloaded here http://multiki.arjlover.net/multiki/ or seen here http://rutube.ru/tracks/581216.html?...529fd3c36ee56b
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    I love Uspenski's Cheburashka. The first Russian cartoon I ever saw was about Cheburashka (teacher showed it) and I instantly fell in love with the little creature. "Это я - Чебурашка." Sooooooooooooooo cute.

    And I would like to recommend "Доктор Ай-болит" by Korney Chukovski. The book as well as the cartoon. The first part of the cartoon can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UOnEMtYScM

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    I read a series of books when I was a kid that was called "Tales of the animals of Siberia" or something like that. It was a set books (5 or so) and it was following the lives of different animals that lived in Siberia - a flock of wolves etc.
    It was very good. I am not sure if it was written by a Russian or not but it seems likely that it was.. I tried to find out what the authors were called, but I couldn't. Has anybody heard of this series of books?

    I thought it would be interesting to try to read it in Russian. I was very young when I read it and the language was probably very basic, so it might be suitable to my skills in Russian (almost, lol!)

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    Illustrations to HC Andersen's fairytales
    -by children from a school in Kaliningrad:


    The Girl with the Matches



    The Little Mermaid
    (how good is this pic???)


    The Ugly Duckling




    (How do you say this in English...) The gadget for creating fire...


    The Snow Queen:

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    Wonderful pictures! They make me want to go paint and draw something myself!

    Quote Originally Posted by Johanna
    (How do you say this in English...) The gadget for creating fire...
    The tinder-box, apparently, at least that's how it was translated.

    And here are some amazing illustrations to "The Show Queen" by a Ukrainian illustrator Vladislav Erko. He received all sorts of prizes in Russia, Ukraine, the US as "the best illustrator" and for "the best chidren's book."


    found through yandex картинки from http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/vgorode...131536/?page=1


    from http://community.livejournal.com/tal...ret/42974.html


    from http://delete.otaku.ru/various.htm


    from http://www.ivan.at.ua/forum/3-93-1


    from http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/vgorode...131533/?page=1


    from http://delete.otaku.ru/various.htm
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    Illustrations by Boris Diodorov to "The Little Mermaid". He received the main prize at the Andersen's contest in Odense from the hands of the Danish Princess Alexandra.


    found through yandex.ru картинки from http://vivanna.livejournal.com/114461.html


    from http://vivanna.livejournal.com/114461.html


    from http://vivanna.livejournal.com/114461.html
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    Olya,

    What did you like so much about "The Little Prince" by Exupery.

    I'm looking for a gift for an 8 year old Russian boy.

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