well- i wouldnt be considered an old man since its my father whos name translates as that! i have a question though- is Emelyan the same name as Yemelyan? i see it spelled differently in latin letters but i dont know if it is two different names or not. is it spelled the same way in cyrllic?
It is the same. "Емельян".Originally Posted by Tamerlane
"Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?
guys- i found a prime example of a russian patrinomic surname.
Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych
Yanukovych is not a patronymic, there is no such name, 'Yanuk' (and if it existed, the stress in the patronymic would be different).
Yanukovych is just an ordinary surname on '-ovich'.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
its the name of a ukrainian politician- look him up. btw, does anyone know of any other rough equivalents to Jeffery besides "Yefrem" is georgi also a good equivalent?Yanukovych is not a patronymic, there is no such name, 'Yanuk' (and if it existed, the stress in the patronymic would be different).
Yanukovych is just an ordinary surname on '-ovich'.
Do you really think I don't know who Yanukovych is? I'm telling you that his surname is not a patronymic.
I meant there is no such name - 'Yanuk'.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
should i just remove my middle name? and simply only have my first and last name?
Your "middle" names in Russian formalism are just a part of name. A name may consist of as many words as one likes. To have a patronymic you should go ask your father what is his first name and add -vich.
For example, if the father of Pedro Maria Manuel Gomez is Jose then his identification in Russian is the following.
Имя (name): Педро Мария Мануэль
Отчество (patronymic): Хосевич
Фамилия (surname):Гомес
This is accepted way. Of cause if he likes he can call himself "Пётр Мариевич" or whatever else but it is incorrect.
"Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?
I have strong doubts about the "Мария Мануэль" here. I believe it should be just Педро Хосевич in Russian (althogh it sounds quite ugly). No any "Мария Мануэль" after "Pedro". How would you address this Pedro then? "Педро Мария Мануэль Хосевич, простите, а можно вопрос?" He he. Never. Only just one word which is a name + one word which is a patronymic.
Sure. Only not in Russian.A name may consist of as many words as one likes.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
Januk (Янук) — Polish (and Belorussian and Ukranian) diminutive from Jan (Ян) — Iwan (Иван). Here are some another variants: Янка, Ясь.
Examples:
«Янук Сялиба» poem of Максим Танк
Januk Daraszkiewicz (see here)
Иван Луцевич — он же Янук из-под Минска, он же Янка Купала.
Great.Januk (Янук) — Polish (and Belorussian and Ukranian) diminutive from Jan (Ян) — Iwan (Иван). Here are some another variants: Янка, Ясь.
Anyway, there is no such name in Russian, and Yanukovich in Victor Yanukovich is NOT a patronymic and does not sound like a patronymic. The patronymic would sound Yanukovich (or maybe Yanukovich), but NOT Yanukovich as in Victor Yanukovich. It is just a surname. There is nothing special about Yanukovich which Tamerlane "found as a prime example" - why not Stepanovich/Stepanovich, or Alexandrovich/Alexandrovich, or Mikhaylovich/Mikhaylovich then? They all are even more "prime".
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
Poor, poor Янук Купала!
Pronunciation in Polish manner: stress on the last syllable but one. Belorussian and Ukranian sometimes could have the same peculiarity.
Да даже не в ударении дело - сербские фамилии на -ич тоже теперь не отчества.
So what? Patronymics are made from the FULL form of the name only, not from some "diminutives", so Olya is right. "Янукович" as a legitimate patronymic is impossible. "Yanovich" exists, "Yanukovich" doesn't.Januk (Янук) — Polish (and Belorussian and Ukranian) diminutive from Jan (Ян) — Iwan (Иван). Here are some another variants: Янка, Ясь.
What Polish pronunciation has to do with all that?? I thought we were talking about Russian patronymics.
And, by the way, do Poles have patronymics? They don't.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
I thought we were talking about Yanukovich, who's Ukrainian.
Yes, I thought we were talking about Russian and Ukrainian patronymics, and Russian and Ukrainian surnames.I thought we were talking about Yanukovich, who's Ukrainian.
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
Azraim: А я вообще в детстве думал, что кулич - это отчество такое )
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i heard that if the father of the baby is unknown- he or she is given the patrynomic "ivanovich" or "ivanova" and the surname of the mother- is this true?
AFAIK normally in this case baby is given the patrynomic on the choice of the mother. And the surname of the mother of course.
"Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?
It was. In the XIX century
And the female patrynomic is not "ivanòva" (this is a surname), but "ivànovna".
In Russian, all nationalities and their corresponding languages start with a lower-case letter.
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