Thread: Ukraine: Two incidents involving foreigners in disco and night club.

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

How about:

"Small fight breaks out in disco".

i don't know how big or small they were, attack is a neutral word meaning offensive action, it might as well be a verbal attack
neither do i know anything about the 'fights', all i know about is 'beating'

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

UK: Chaos on the Roads

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I also don't see how your link is related to Travel and Tourism

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Originally Posted by LXNDR

i don't know how big or small they were, attack is a neutral word meaning offensive action, it might as well be a verbal attack
neither do i know anything about the 'fights', all i know about is 'beating'

Your title doesn't say "attack", it says "attacks", plural.

The specific form of your title, which employs a familiar sort of journalistic shorthand, unambiguously implies a series or pattern of coordinated or at least related violent attacks against foreigners in Ukraine. It cannot mean anything else. You could show that headline to any native English speaker in the world and they would all make the same assumption - that there had been a series of attacks against foreigners in Ukraine.

What none of them would expect is a story about a single mild incident involving 3 drunk people in a provincial night club.

I'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was just an unfortunate choice of words by a non-native speaker rather than an intentional exaggeration, but the fact that you've also posted the same story in other threads suggests otherwise.

LOL, this is plain out stupid, we're not in the kindergarten, are we? But even there some level of parity should be maintained
Give us some scoop about attacks on Ukrainian tourists in the US or UK motivated by them being Ukrainians, if we're in for childish games.

If anything the disparity between hyperbolic sensationalist headline and mundane story is less absurd in my post than in yours.

i don't think i need anyone's approval on the title choice therefore the idea of giving me the benefit of the doubt is a tad presumptuous as neither am i guilty of anything nor do i owe anything to anybody other than accurate relation of information

i agree i could have phrased it "two recent attacks" or "two unrelated attacks" if you so will then it'd sound less blown up, but still my title doesn't wrench the facts, attacks are attacks and recent is recent

but this below is truly hilarious

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

3 drunk people

man, you're reading into the story even more than i am and keep piling up information, let's see how it progresses

i start to have a feeling that i should have posted it in the Fun Stuff instead LOL

the only reason i posted a link in another thread is to let fortheether know about these stories

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

If anything the disparity between hyperbolic sensationalist headline and mundane story is less absurd in my post than in yours.

so are unprovoked (in the first incident for certain) attacks on foreigners mundane story to you? the mere presence of foreigners in Ukraine especially in the deep province isn't mundane by far so how could the story they're involved in be mundane?

or are you saying that it's brawls and scraps in clubs which are mundane in Ukraine?

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Originally Posted by LXNDR

i don't think i need anyone's approval on the title choice therefore the idea of giving me the benefit of the doubt is a tad presumptuous as neither am i guilty of anything nor do i owe anything to anybody other than accurate relation of information

By posting stuff on the internet you are inviting a response. I gave you one, which was to point out that your headline did not match the content of the articles you posted.

i agree i could have phrased it "two recent attacks" or "two unrelated attacks" if you so will then it'd sound less blown up, but still my title doesn't wrench the facts, attacks are attacks and recent is recent

I concede that I hadn't realised the two articles referred to separate incidents - I clearly didn't read the garbled machine translation carefully enough - but that doesn't alter the fact that your headline implies something absolutely specific which simply isn't present in the articles.

so are unprovoked (in the first incident for certain) attacks on foreigners mundane story to you? the mere presence of foreigners in Ukraine especially in the deep province isn't mundane by far so how could the story they're involved in be mundane?

or are you saying that it's brawls and scraps in clubs which are mundane in Ukraine?

Scraps in nightclubs are mundane in any country, regardless of the nationality of those involved. As stories, these are no more impressive than the speeding ticket one I posted earlier.

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

By posting stuff on the internet you are inviting a response. I gave you one...

granted, so this one is over with

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

I concede that I hadn't realised the two articles referred to separate incidents - I clearly didn't read the garbled machine translation carefully enough - but that doesn't alter the fact that your headline implies something absolutely specific which simply isn't present in the articles.

thank you for the 'machine translation' complement LOL, i'm not claiming the translation is perfect, but it's clear it's not computer generated if you DO read it

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

Scraps in nightclubs are mundane in any country, regardless of the nationality of those involved. As stories, these are no more impressive than the speeding ticket one I posted earlier.

you seem to obstinately ignore the fact that it's foreigners who were beaten, not the locals

normally, out of sense of hospitality foreigners everywhere are treated with greater respect and precaution and can get away with more (within legal limits) having allowance of not understanding the local customs, especially in places where visitors from foreign lands are rarity, and because they are less protected staying away from home

and so attacks on foreigners is a demonstration of extremely ill manners besides being a criminal offense

that's so obvious i feel awkward having to spell it out


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Originally Posted by LXNDR

granted, so this one is over with

thank you for the 'machine translation' complement LOL, i'm not claiming the translation is perfect, but it's clear it's not computer generated if you DO read it

Sorry, but it really does read like a machine translation.

you seem to obstinately ignore the fact that it's foreigners who were beaten, not the locals

normally, out of sense of hospitality foreigners everywhere are treated with greater respect and can get away with more (within legal limits) having allowance of not understanding the local customs, especially in places where visitors from foreign lands are rarity

and attacks on foreigners is a demonstration of extremely ill manners besides being a criminal offense

All I see are two stories about fights in nightclubs, of the sort you could see in any nightclub in any country on any Saturday night. I fail to see how the nationalities of the victims elevates these stories in any way.

I've certainly never been to your imaginary country where all foreigners are treated as honoured guests at all times.

so are you ready to explain why you picked up on the title not even having given yourself labor to properly read the articles? and saying this

how can you know whether the headline matches the content without carefully reading the latter? don't you think you contradict yourself on that?

There's no contradiction. I read the articles well enough to see that they both referred to incidents in night clubs where some Brits and Seppos got themselves beaten up, but because they were so badly written I initially missed the fact that they referred to two different incidents.

it seems my posting hurt you patriotic feelings

Hah. Go on then, what patriotic feelings would those be?