Thread: Ukraine: Two incidents involving foreigners in disco and night club.

Wow... The title makes it bigger than it is.
It gives an impression of organized and repetitive attacks, while it's a stupid club fight (the mysterious "young man" vs three volunteers).

Originally Posted by gRomoZeka

Wow... The title makes it bigger than it is.
It gives an impression of organized and repetitive attacks, while it's a stupid club fight (the mysterious "young man" vs three volunteers).

wanna give a suggestion for a smaller title?

Originally Posted by LXNDR

wanna give a suggestion for a smaller title?

How about:

"Small fight breaks out in disco".

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

How about:

"Small fight breaks out in disco".

i don't know how big or small they were, attack is a neutral word meaning offensive action, it might as well be a verbal attack
neither do i know anything about the 'fights', all i know about is 'beating'

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

UK: Chaos on the Roads

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I also don't see how your link is related to Travel and Tourism

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Originally Posted by LXNDR

i don't know how big or small they were, attack is a neutral word meaning offensive action, it might as well be a verbal attack
neither do i know anything about the 'fights', all i know about is 'beating'

Your title doesn't say "attack", it says "attacks", plural.

The specific form of your title, which employs a familiar sort of journalistic shorthand, unambiguously implies a series or pattern of coordinated or at least related violent attacks against foreigners in Ukraine. It cannot mean anything else. You could show that headline to any native English speaker in the world and they would all make the same assumption - that there had been a series of attacks against foreigners in Ukraine.

What none of them would expect is a story about a single mild incident involving 3 drunk people in a provincial night club.

I'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was just an unfortunate choice of words by a non-native speaker rather than an intentional exaggeration, but the fact that you've also posted the same story in other threads suggests otherwise.

LOL, this is plain out stupid, we're not in the kindergarten, are we? But even there some level of parity should be maintained
Give us some scoop about attacks on Ukrainian tourists in the US or UK motivated by them being Ukrainians, if we're in for childish games.

If anything the disparity between hyperbolic sensationalist headline and mundane story is less absurd in my post than in yours.

i don't think i need anyone's approval on the title choice therefore the idea of giving me the benefit of the doubt is a tad presumptuous as neither am i guilty of anything nor do i owe anything to anybody other than accurate relation of information

i agree i could have phrased it "two recent attacks" or "two unrelated attacks" if you so will then it'd sound less blown up, but still my title doesn't wrench the facts, attacks are attacks and recent is recent

but this below is truly hilarious

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

3 drunk people

man, you're reading into the story even more than i am and keep piling up information, let's see how it progresses

i start to have a feeling that i should have posted it in the Fun Stuff instead LOL

the only reason i posted a link in another thread is to let fortheether know about these stories

Originally Posted by zedeeyen

If anything the disparity between hyperbolic sensationalist headline and mundane story is less absurd in my post than in yours.

so are unprovoked (in the first incident for certain) attacks on foreigners mundane story to you? the mere presence of foreigners in Ukraine especially in the deep province isn't mundane by far so how could the story they're involved in be mundane?

or are you saying that it's brawls and scraps in clubs which are mundane in Ukraine?

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Originally Posted by LXNDR

i don't think i need anyone's approval on the title choice therefore the idea of giving me the benefit of the doubt is a tad presumptuous as neither am i guilty of anything nor do i owe anything to anybody other than accurate relation of information

By posting stuff on the internet you are inviting a response. I gave you one, which was to point out that your headline did not match the content of the articles you posted.

i agree i could have phrased it "two recent attacks" or "two unrelated attacks" if you so will then it'd sound less blown up, but still my title doesn't wrench the facts, attacks are attacks and recent is recent

I concede that I hadn't realised the two articles referred to separate incidents - I clearly didn't read the garbled machine translation carefully enough - but that doesn't alter the fact that your headline implies something absolutely specific which simply isn't present in the articles.

so are unprovoked (in the first incident for certain) attacks on foreigners mundane story to you? the mere presence of foreigners in Ukraine especially in the deep province isn't mundane by far so how could the story they're involved in be mundane?

or are you saying that it's brawls and scraps in clubs which are mundane in Ukraine?

Scraps in nightclubs are mundane in any country, regardless of the nationality of those involved. As stories, these are no more impressive than the speeding ticket one I posted earlier.