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    Is studying Russian the right choice? (serious replies plz)

    hello,

    I'm an 18 year old belgian guy/kid
    and I'm considering studying Russian, I don't know if it's any different abroad, but in Belgium studying Russian is a rather weird choice.
    so all the people having doubts whether it is the right thing to do have given me second thoughts about studying Russian.

    so if someone could answer a few questions for me to make me feel certain in my choice?:

    - I think history class has given me an incorrect image about russia, it's said to be weak & subdue to communism, russian are supposed to be poor, and rude: I'm quite certain some people would like to refute these statements?

    - is there a need of interpreters English/Dutch/French <-> Russian

    - can someone estimate the percentage of russians who are able to speak a foreign language ( such as dutch/french/english ) ?

    - could a Dutch speaking person stay in Russia for lets say.. 1 year and be able to speak russian as if it were french? ( if u're Dutch and you spend a year in France you should be able to understand & communicate with the french )

    - let's hypothesize Russia falls apart & the Russians move to europe, would they be able to learn the european languages without being tutored or would they still be speaking russian and will I consequently still have a job?




    these might look like dumb questions but it's what's on my mind and I'd like them to be cleared before I make my final decision.
    feel free to add me to your MSN ( rechtersok@hotmail.com )

    thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasL
    I think history class has given me an incorrect image about russia, it's said to be weak & subdue to communism, russian are supposed to be poor, and rude:
    I think any history class gives very simplified information about any country and nation. Culture and history are very complex and difficult areas to be judged by so simple statements like “rude”, “poor” and so on. If you are interested in Russia try to find as many books about its history as you can. Russian sources, if translated, can be especially useful.
    Russia wasn't weak under communism; it was strong country with powerful weaponry and autoritative international policy. Our “democratic” propaganda tells us that Soviet people were poor due to communism, but many who lived in the USSR tell that they had quite normal life (though maybe not very rich). Nowadays Russia constantly becomes poor and weak country because it is managed by morons. It still lives mainly because of oil trade and remainders of Soviet industry. Russians are the most polite people in the world but it seems that such hopeless situation makes them evil. This is my view on Russia, take it as you want.
    is there a need of interpreters English/Dutch/French <-> Russian
    Knowledge of English is quite useful thing in Russia especially if you work in an international company or translation agency. Sometimes French and German are required. As far as I know Dutch is not so popular.
    can someone estimate the percentage of russians who are able to speak a foreign language ( such as dutch/french/english
    According to izvestia.ru only 1.3% of Russians speak foreign language.
    could a Dutch speaking person stay in Russia for lets say.. 1 year and be able to speak russian as if it were french? ( if u're Dutch and you spend a year in France you should be able to understand & communicate with the french
    If you mean that Dutch is somehow similar to Russian (like it is a bit similar to French) then it is wrong. It is two different language groups. If you will communicate with Russians very actively then perhaps you will more or less speak and understand Russian. I think it more depends on a person than on your native language.
    let's hypothesize Russia falls apart & the Russians move to europe, would they be able to learn the european languages without being tutored or would they still be speaking russian and will I consequently still have a job?
    There are some Russian communities in Belgium. I don't know much about them but I suspect that they speak Russian between each other (as they do it on their internet forums). If Russians move to Europe abundantly then I almost sure that they will create their own Russian-speaking communities. Of course they will have to learn (more or less) Dutch, French and so on to speak with Europeans but they probably anyway will speak Russian with each other.

    Wait for other answers. I'm not the only truth.

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    JonasL, honestly speaking, I don't think you will get rich by knowing Russian. Although... nobody can tell...

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    thanks for the replies so far, I must say I'm rather impressed by the intelligence on this forum, but then again I guess you're all older than me,

    I'll be around to read some more replies
    thanks in advance

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    By the way, Russia is in Europe.

    English and Russian has lots of cognates (mostly modern day words like "computer" and "telephone")...Dutch is related to English which Russian has English cognates...plus Russian is a European language so it wont be as hard as learning Korean/Chinese.

    I will have the oppertunity to learn Russian in college. I am still undecided of what to do in life...military or not...and which field (technical/non-tech). But if I go to the college I hope, I can at least minor in Russian, that will give me the oppertunity to have a nice career in which i can work internationally.

    I suggest you dable in Russian for a bit, if you soak it right up then I guess you can choose a job translating stuff, you can always minor in Russian and major in something else...that will give you a broader range of options.

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    Jonas, I would suggest you not learn Russian(or any language, for that matter) for any reason other than a genuine interest in the language. If you're just learning it for job opportunities, you may not get that far before you realize you're not all that interested in it. But if you actually want to know more about Russia and the Russian language, then go ahead. No harm in learning a foreign language.

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    mhh, all negative replies

    I don't want to go to like.. law school, there's 300 people in 1 class, you really need to excel if you want to achieve something in ur life,
    in Russian class there's like 10 people, so when you graduate you'll be more or less unique.

    I read someplace ( Encarta 2005 ) that the Netherlands is one of Russia's most important business associates, so that's positive + I know french / German / english, so there should be plenty of job opportunities ?

    I can see you're all very motivated people and you learn languages because you love them, I love langauges aswell such as french & english, I'm the best in my class in those 2 and I've got a real feeling for languages, example: I don't use the english tenses I just feel what I'm supposed to use, same for french, I don't even know the rules, I just ... talk.. as if it were my mother tongue.

    I don't know whether Russian will be that easy either, since you have dativ,akkusativ,genitiv,nominativ and 2 others
    plus the cyrillic alphabet

    but I don't really see another option since I'm rather shit at maths

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasL
    so when you graduate you'll be more or less unique.
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    I' m afraid you will be not so unique as you think. There are a large number of Russians who emigrated to Western countries in the last decade. I know that there is also a significant community in Belgium and the Netherlands.
    These people will always be in advantage because their native language is Russian and as they lived for example in the Netherlands for 10 years they will have a level of fluency in the local language which will be hard for you to achieve by studying Russain in college.
    One other point from my experience concerning jobs and knowledge of languages: It is implicitely assumed that you speak English. It is nice to know other languages as well but with the exception of a few very rare cases nobody is going to pay for that.
    I met quite a number of colleagues which spoke all kinds of languages (mostly because the came from countries where thes languages where spoken). I don't know of one single case where this additional skills had a noticeable positive influence onto their carreers. If they were successfull in their jobs the reasons were there achievements in there area of expertise not because they spoke Arabic or Indonesian (or Russian).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasL
    mhh, all negative replies

    I don't want to go to like.. law school, there's 300 people in 1 class, you really need to excel if you want to achieve something in ur life,
    in Russian class there's like 10 people, so when you graduate you'll be more or less unique.

    I read someplace ( Encarta 2005 ) that the Netherlands is one of Russia's most important business associates, so that's positive + I know french / German / english, so there should be plenty of job opportunities ?

    I can see you're all very motivated people and you learn languages because you love them, I love langauges aswell such as french & english, I'm the best in my class in those 2 and I've got a real feeling for languages, example: I don't use the english tenses I just feel what I'm supposed to use, same for french, I don't even know the rules, I just ... talk.. as if it were my mother tongue.

    I don't know whether Russian will be that easy either, since you have dativ,akkusativ,genitiv,nominativ and 2 others
    plus the cyrillic alphabet

    but I don't really see another option since I'm rather @@@@ at maths
    One good byproduct of learning russian is that it will put the grammar of your other languages in perspective and youll probably understand the rules more in english and french. I wouldnt learn Russian for job opportunities. Hasn't helped me so far hehe. However if you are an entrepreneur, there are tons of opportunites if you have money to invest in small ventures, however risky that may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Старик

    I' m afraid you will be not so unique as you think. There are a large number of Russians who emigrated to Western countries in the last decade. I know that there is also a significant community in Belgium and the Netherlands.
    indeed but no diploma = no job right? my parents are both lawyers and they tell me they need russian interpreters all the time ( in court ), now, my parents have this friend who emigrated from Russia, he's better than most interpreters but he still doesn't get to do the interpreting.
    they have to bring an interpreter over from Brussels, which is about 100km away from where I live ( Hasselt )
    just because he has a diploma.

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    - can someone estimate the percentage of russians who are able to speak a foreign language ( such as dutch/french/english ) ?
    Please note the order in which he mentions them: Dutch, French, English.
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    let's hypothesize Russia falls apart & the Russians move to europe
    If Russia "falls apart", people will simply stay in those "parts", they won't move anywhere. Anyway, how do you imagine this, Russia falling apart?

    , would they be able to learn the european languages without being tutored
    It's common knowledge that all Russians take to speaking foreign languages like a duck to water. Our powerful brains allow us to speak any language on Earth without having to study it first. I know it's not the same for you lot, though. Well, hard cheese.
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    I don't think it is a weird choice of languages to study.

    I live in the US, and people think I'm pretty strange for wanting to study Russian, but it's in my heritage, so I don't see a problem. Technically, I should be studying Spanish, as that is the largest growing language in the area, or even German (alot of Germans where I live), but it's just not in my interest.

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    No "should"s or "shouldn't"s, man. The best language learning comes when you actually care about the language you're trying to learn. And although с. Хреново has a large Spanish-speaking population, there has never been a single situation where I actually wished I knew Spanish. But even if there was, I probably still wouldn't learn it.

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    Learning languages for a weird reason is anything but weird on this forum..

    SideNote. Having some spare time I've recently started learning French for no obvious reason and when I was thinking which language to learn - Spanish, French or German somehow Spanish seemed least appealing to me . So , is it something about Spanish or is it just me?

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    Well, as for me, it's because 8349083094830 people already learn Spanish and it's kind of boring for me. If I was the type of person who learned languages that seemed more immediately useful, though(as opposed to languages I liked), I'd probably have learned it by now.

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    I just don't like the sound of Spanish. French and Italian are fine, but for some reason Spanich doesn't catch me.


    Plus, Russian comes in handy when you least expect it. We had a Russian exchange student that spoke not one word of English when she came here, and I actually felt guilty I had not learned Russian when I first said I was going to. I could have helped her so much. Grr.

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    chinese?

    I think I'm gonna go for Chinese anyway, both countries(Russia,China) share my intrest and since Chinese is "the future" as everybody says, I guess i'll pick that then, It won't be easy but I think I can handle it.

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    Do you plan on actually going to China?

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    of course Pravit I have a belgian friend who recently moved to China
    and he told me he liked it there, so why not?
    I planned to go to Russia aswell after my studies so things haven't changed just because China is a bit further away

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