Too much censorship on the forums?

[Doomer]

I think Lampada does a great job. If she did not moderate, these discussions would quickly turn into a litany of name calling and childish nonsense. If that is what people want, maybe they should go to youtube?

The last comment she edited, by the way, was a personal insult against me. I do not see why we need to leave up nasty, hurtful comments, but if people want to engage in that kind of детский сад, there are plenty of other places on the internet to do so.

There is a way to prevent it all from happening
This thread is not related to learning Russian language, it's also mostly in English.
So, as you were saying: "there are plenty of other places on the internet to do so"
Let's not create such threads and people won't insult each other

I was trying to create a thread about abused Russian children in the US and I got banned for a week by our fellow moderator for that and my thread was deleted. But after thinking about it I would agree: let's delete such threads. But let's not create double standards and provoke favoritism: all such threads must be deleted. And people would not insult each other.

[Deborski]

There is a way to prevent it all from happening
This thread is not related to learning Russian language, it's also mostly in English.
So, as you were saying: "there are plenty of other places on the internet to do so"
Let's not create such threads and people won't insult each other

I've been insulted many times during discussions about language as well. So no, forcing everyone to speak Russian only or only discuss linguistics will not stop rudeness. Rudeness will only stop when people decide to stop being rude.

As far as that goes, most of the people on this thread have been very polite and have not insulted or personally attacked anyone. Maybe some people just should avoid political topics if they cannot restrain their tempers.

Оскорбление звучит так же, независимо от того, на котором языке говорят.

К тому же, я тоже стараюсь писать на русском языке, но когда я ужасно пишу по-русски или пишу неправильно, это же может быть оскорбление. Не так ли? Я пишу по-английски когда тема сложная, потому-что я могу более ясно объяснить свое мнение. Если Вы хотите говорить по-русский, давайте. Мне все равно, какой язык Вы предпочитаете.

[Doomer]

I've been insulted many times during discussions about language as well. So no, forcing everyone to speak Russian only or only discuss linguistics will not stop rudeness. Rudeness will only stop when people decide to stop being rude.

You misunderstood me
It's mostly not about English, it's about the topic. The topic is way far from this forum agenda

[Deborski]

You misunderstood me
It's mostly not about English, it's about the topic. The topic is way far from this forum agenda

Then why is there a whole section for politics? No one is forcing you to participate in this thread, Doomer. Least of all me.

[Doomer]

Then why is there a whole section for politics? No one is forcing you to participate in this thread, Doomer. Least of all me.

First of all why this thread isn't in politics then?
Second, yes, no one is forcing, but I can tell the same to you: don't participate in such threads and you won't get insulted, really simple. But it's not a solution I think. Reducing number of controversial threads could help.

[Deborski]

First of all why this thread isn't in politics then?
Second, yes, no one is forcing, but I can tell the same to you: don't participate in such threads and you won't get insulted, really simple. But it's not a solution I think. Reducing number of controversial threads could help.

Doomer, it doesn't matter what the topic is. Some people are here for the sole purpose of insulting others. If all someone wants to do is troll other members of the forum to dish out insults, it isn't going to matter whether we talk about gay rights, or the cold war, or abused children, or how to conjugate the verb раздражать - insults will flow, and moderation will be needed.

14Russian Whatever. Let's see it then? I was criticizing Sweden for giving up their sovereignty and nations for aligning with the USA or being soft when it came to foreign policy regarding American actions. What childish comments do I say - calling someone brainwashed? It's only done in politics every day. You have a bias against me, period. I'll refrain from posting in the political section since perspectives you don't like are construed as 'childish insults.' K,bye.

I've seen some of your childish insults. Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "morons" and so on. It is childish. Don't claim your political opinion was censored, because that is not the case.

The only ones complaining about Lampada are the ones who have attacked others. So don't play coy, and don't play innocent, and don't try to pin the blame on the moderator, who works her butt off deleting spammers every day among other many thankless things! If everyone could act like adults, stop insulting, attacking, stalking and trolling like a bunch of junior high school bullies, she would not have to censor anyone.

Now then. Back to the topic please. Otherwise, Lampada, feel free to remove the last several posts and put them in another thread where people can whine, and complain, and talk about their butthurt (and that is a thread I have no interest in participating in).

[Lampada]

First of all why this thread isn't in politics then?
Second, yes, no one is forcing, but I can tell the same to you: don't participate in such threads and you won't get insulted, really simple. But it's not a solution I think. Reducing number of controversial threads could help.

Да, ты прав: эта тема вполне политическая. Я иногда не сразу переношу темы из раздела в раздел, просто из уважения к начинателю топика.

Оправданий для демонстративно неуважительного отношения к софумчанину или к софорумчанке не может быть, потому что не может здесь быть никогда. Так установил создатель этого форума.

[Doomer]

Да, ты прав: эта тема вполне политическая. Я иногда не сразу переношу темы из раздела в раздел, просто из уважения к начинателю топика.

Well, thank you for confirming my point
On one side my thread gets almost immediately deleted w/o any explanation (I still have no idea why it got deleted) and I get banned. No respect whatsoever.
On the other side thread which is not even in correct forum gets cherished and the topicstarter is "respected"

That is seriously biased moderation I think. No offense but biased moderator is much bigger problem for the forum than childish riposte or even strong words. If you cannot be unbiased in your moderation I think you should resign you moderation privileges.

[Lampada]

First of all why this thread isn't in politics then?
Second, yes, no one is forcing, but I can tell the same to you: don't participate in such threads and you won't get insulted, really simple. But it's not a solution I think. Reducing number of controversial threads could help.

Не можешь составить список таких, по твоему мнению, тем? Мы проголосуем и я их могу вытереть.

[Doomer]

Не можешь составить список таких, по твоему мнению, тем? Мы проголосуем и я их могу вытереть.

Не могу, потому что я не представляю общественное мнение.
Я вам расскажу как это делается.
Сначала создается тема, в которой каждый желающий может написать ОДИН пост, в котором он напишет что ему не нравится (правила должны быть описаны в первом посте темы). Тема должна быть доступна и видна (sticky).
Через неделю тема закрывается и создается другая ветка, с голосованием по предложенным мерам, скажем еще на неделю.

[CoffeeCup]

I was trying to create a thread about abused Russian children in the US and I got banned for a week by our fellow moderator for that and my thread was deleted. But after thinking about it I would agree: let's delete such threads. But let's not create double standards and provoke favoritism: all such threads must be deleted. And people would not insult each other.

I think Lampada does a great job. If she did not moderate, these discussions would quickly turn into a litany of name calling and childish nonsense.

Moderating personal insults is a great job. But at the same time moderating opposite opinions is a crime to the forum users and the forum creators. This type of moderation already caused exodus of great bunch of Russian forum users. Let's just see at the threads list: few years ago we discussed musics, books, movies, cultural habits and events in different countries. How many of such threads are active these days? As for politics, there were a lot of CONSTRUCTIVE politic discussions either until the politic moderation became heavy and one sided. The case with deleting thread which addressed the problems of adopted kids in US was not a single issue. At the same time the thread about child adoption in US was closed for other users posting while the moderator kept posting in this thread the photos of happy children to assure the entire world that there were no any slightest problems in US. Having such moderation it is not surprised that Russians became "too sensitive" to discuss "some complex" issues in Russia. It is hard to be "cold blooded" if in reality you can't discuss it at all but the only thing you can do is to follow the moderator's opinion in silence.

And for personal insults moderation, we remember how оля exited the forum.

[Lampada]

Moderating personal insults is a great job. But at the same time moderating opposite opinions is a crime to the forum users and the forum creators. This type of moderation already caused exodus of great bunch of Russian forum users. Let's just see at the threads list: few years ago we discussed musics, books, movies, cultural habits and events in different countries. How many of such threads are active these days? As for politics, there were a lot of CONSTRUCTIVE politic discussions either until the politic moderation became heavy and one sided. The case with deleting thread which addressed the problems of adopted kids in US was not a single issue. At the same time the thread about child adoption in US was closed for other users posting while the moderator kept posting in this thread the photos of happy children to assure the entire world that there were no any slightest problems in US. Having such moderation it is not surprised that Russians became "too sensitive" to discuss "some complex" issues in Russia. It is hard to be "cold blooded" if in reality you can't discuss it at all but the only thing you can do is to follow the moderator's opinion in silence.

And for personal insults moderation, we remember how оля exited the forum.

You have been building a case against me, haven't you?
It is upsetting... somewhat.
Формально - нормально, но в сущности не совсем справедливо, и некрасиво бить по больному месту (Оля).
Я стараюсь делать, что лучше для форума и форумчан. Очевидно иногда что-то непреднамеренно перекашивается. Критику в свой адрес я никогда не удаляю, - и вообще всегда считала и считаю, что этот форум самомодерируемый.
Алекс, кстати, без разговоров удалял все перебранки, не допускал негативные переходы на личность.

[Юрка]

few years ago we discussed musics, books, movies, cultural habits and events in different countries. How many of such threads are active these days? As for politics

Форуму объективно нужны русскоязычные помощники, которые из идеалистических соображений хотят помогать иностранцам в изучении языка. Но у идеалистов есть одно "нехорошее" качество: они не стерпят плевки в свой адрес и в адрес своей страны. В связи с этим предлагаю:
1. Закрыть раздел "Политика".
2. Тему про геев перенести в раздел Политика.
3. Публиковать в отдельной "пришпиленной" теме информацию о том, кто забанен, на сколько, за что. В этой же теме можно будет писать "последнее прости" в случае добровольного ухода с форума.

Кто за, прошу поднять хвостики.