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    I got a question for you...

    Is there a way to write in russian the sounds "in", "an", "on" and "u" of french language?

    Example: How do you write the name "Napol

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    [quote=snorkyller]I got a question for you...

    Is there a way to write in russian the sounds "in", "an", "on" and "u" of french language?

    Example: How do you write the name "Napol
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    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
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    I wonder how I should write my name in russian because it contains the sound "an"...
    If you tell us your name we could help you to find the right or best transliteration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxxy

    "relatively easy, compared to other languages" does not mean "you can read it as if it were English" (or Russian for that matter), of course it's different.
    I would also not call ち/し/じ "palatal counterparts" -- e.g. Russian soft/hard consonants are palatal counterparts to each other, these are not, they have an extra quality. Which is why the transliteration systems that ignore it are not used much, except for Russia maybe .
    Yes, certainly you are right about the extra quality. The best Russian transliteration for し should be ЩИ, IMHO, but it's never used in the literature, probably because the Щ in foreign words looks too Russian.

    However, the Russian soft ТЬ are ДЬ are also not absolute "palatal counterparts" for Т and Д, and they do have an extra quality, too. They might be transcripted as [ts'] and [dz'] rather than plain [t'] and [d'], although native Russians do not usually feel it.

    I wouldn't deny the fact the palatalization is sometimes accompanied with additional sound changes, the matter is it exists both in Russian and Japanese although it behaves differently.

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    [quote=TATY][quote=snorkyller]I got a question for you...

    Is there a way to write in russian the sounds "in", "an", "on" and "u" of french language?

    Example: How do you write the name "Napol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Боб Уайтман
    Quote Originally Posted by laxxy

    "relatively easy, compared to other languages" does not mean "you can read it as if it were English" (or Russian for that matter), of course it's different.
    I would also not call ち/し/じ "palatal counterparts" -- e.g. Russian soft/hard consonants are palatal counterparts to each other, these are not, they have an extra quality. Which is why the transliteration systems that ignore it are not used much, except for Russia maybe .
    Yes, certainly you are right about the extra quality. The best Russian transliteration for し should be ЩИ, IMHO, but it's never used in the literature, probably because the Щ in foreign words looks too Russian.

    However, the Russian soft ТЬ are ДЬ are also not absolute "palatal counterparts" for Т and Д, and they do have an extra quality, too. They might be transcripted as [ts'] and [dz'] rather than plain [t'] and [d'], although native Russians do not usually feel it.

    I wouldn't deny the fact the palatalization is sometimes accompanied with additional sound changes, the matter is it exists both in Russian and Japanese although it behaves differently.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderkat
    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
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    I wonder how I should write my name in russian because it contains the sound "an"...
    If you tell us your name we could help you to find the right or best transliteration.
    My name is "Hugo Angers"

    "Angers" is a French word. It refers to the city of Angers in France. So the question is how it is written in your russian map!
    "gers" is pronounced like "j

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    [quote=snorkyller]
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderkat
    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
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    I wonder how I should write my name in russian because it contains the sound "an"...
    If you tell us your name we could help you to find the right or best transliteration.
    My name is "Hugo Angers"

    "Angers" is a French word. It refers to the city of Angers in France. So the question is how it is written in your russian map!
    "gers" is pronounced like "j
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    I forgot to say that the "H" of Hugo is not pronounced. So it's as if it was simply "Ugo"

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    [quote=snorkyller]My name is "Hugo Angers"

    "Angers" is a French word. It refers to the city of Angers in France. So the question is how it is written in your russian map!
    "gers" is pronounced like "j
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    [quote=Spiderkat]Rtyom was close enough, Юго Анже would be the right transliteration.
    There's no [i]

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    Гюго Анже. That's how they spell Hugo in Russian.
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    [quote=snorkyller]Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Гюго Анже. That's how they spell Hugo in Russian.
    But, the "Г" in front of "юго" is like a "g". Does it means that you spell my name something like "Gyougo"?

    юго анже sounds like more of a direction to someplace or a location than someone's name.
    Why are you saying that? It's true that "анже" is a city but юго is name...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
    But, the "Г" in front of "юго" is like a "g". Does it means that you spell my name something like "Gougo"?
    That's correct. It's just how they transliterate the letter h.

    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
    Why are you saying that? It's true that "анже" is a city but юго is name...
    I know this city, I spent two years there. It's just that юго something makes me think of a direction, for example юго-восток or юго-юго-запад.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Гюго Анже. That's how they spell Hugo in Russian.
    But, the "Г" in front of "юго" is like a "g". Does it means that you spell my name something like "Gyougo"?
    Actually "Hugo" is written and pronounced "Гюго" mostly when referring to Victor Hugo - that's a historical thing. In case of your name you can quite safely use "Юго" - I definitely would if I were you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderkat
    It's just that юго something makes me think of a direction, for example юго-восток or юго-юго-запад.
    Oh! I just understand... I didn't know that ЮГ = south and ЮГО-ВОСТОК = southeast.

    My name in russian seems to be a road sign (Гюго Анже)
    What is funny is that english speaking people pronounce my name like "You go". Maybe it's a sign My destiny might be to live in Angers. I never went there... never went in France anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friendy
    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Гюго Анже. That's how they spell Hugo in Russian.
    But, the "Г" in front of "юго" is like a "g". Does it means that you spell my name something like "Gyougo"?
    Actually "Hugo" is written and pronounced "Гюго" mostly when referring to Victor Hugo - that's a historical thing. In case of your name you can quite safely use "Юго" - I definitely would if I were you.
    Actually, often Hugo is pronounced and written as "Хьюго". The name of well-known Agent Smith from "The Matrix" and Elrond from LOTR Hugo Weaving is often written and pronounced as Хьюго Уивинг
    My English isn't so good, зато с русским все в порядке ))
    I'll be very thankful, if you correct my mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pranki
    Quote Originally Posted by Friendy
    Quote Originally Posted by snorkyller
    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    Гюго Анже. That's how they spell Hugo in Russian.
    But, the "Г" in front of "юго" is like a "g". Does it means that you spell my name something like "Gyougo"?
    Actually "Hugo" is written and pronounced "Гюго" mostly when referring to Victor Hugo - that's a historical thing. In case of your name you can quite safely use "Юго" - I definitely would if I were you.
    Actually, often Hugo is pronounced and written as "Хьюго". The name of well-known Agent Smith from "The Matrix" and Elrond from LOTR Hugo Weaving is often written and pronounced as Хьюго Уивинг
    But that still doesn't help our French friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATY
    But that still doesn't help our French friend.
    I think we helped our Quebecker friend since now he just has to choose which spelling he wants to be remembered as: a French writer, a guy from a movie or some kind of a cardinal point.
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