Thread: Попутная песня

Is there anyone here who has the text to Glinka's Попутная песня?

I figure learning it and singing it (to speed!) must be the best gymnastics exercise for the speech apparatus..... if I can handle pronouncing that, I can handle anything.....


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http://notes.tarakanov.net/songs/glinkapoput.zip

The only problem it is handwritten... Let us know if you have problems reading it...

Thank you very much, Mike!!!

Wonderful to have the notes too........


I've had a quick look..... and yes, I will definitely have problems reading it - *LOL* - but I'll give it my best shot before I bother you guys

It'll be my homework for the coming weeks.....

Thanks again - great to finally have it!

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Hmmmmmmm..... would someone give me a hand with this one, please? I have some - probably very silly - questions...... but then, I only ever took three weeks of russian (many many moons ago), so I could really use some help....

Here goes - my best shot:

Попутная песня

муз. М.Глинка
Сл. Н.Кукольника

Дым столбом кыпит, дымится пароход!

As far as I can read the handwriting, it does say "кыпит"; logically, my guess would be that it's an old form of "кипит" - am I right, or is there such a verb as "кыпить"?!

"пароход": seeing that the rest of the text is about a train, I'd drop the boat just this once and just go for "steam engine".......

Пестрота, разгулволненье, ожиданье, нетерпенье!

Though nowadays, all endings would be "-ние", pretty straightforward, except for "разгулволнение" - I couldn't find that anywhere.... I know "разгулье" so I understand what the man means.... but is this an old form? A superlative of some kind? Or just poetic freedom?!

Great phrase, BTW - you can just see them all waving little coloured flags, their little faces shining with mirth and excitement *LOL*

Веселится и ликует весь народ,

Thank heavens, a simple sentence!


И быстрее шибче воли поезд мчится в чистом поле.

Now say that ten times fast!!

I lurve the sound of this sentence - is that a train or what?!
I don't love the (grammatical) construction of the beginning though (or it doesn't like me) - "шибче" refers to "воли", no? So "быстрее шибче воли" : "faster than the strongest oxen"? But if so, I don't really understand the endings.......
So I'd be really grateful if someone could pick this sentence apart for me.....

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Нет тайная дума быстрее летит,

"No secret thought flies faster" - but why is there no genitive after "Нет"?
"A secret thought doesn't fly faster" - but then, why is it "Нет" and not "Не"?

Stoopid moi.....


И сердце мгновенья считая стучит:

This bit I get..... Ура.....

Коварные думы мелькают дорогой

Help.
Why is "дорогой" instrumental here? Does that come automatically with "мелькать"?
Also, I don't get the meaning of this bit..... Why would nasty thoughts flash by along the way - I thought he was happy being on the train?! (weird people, these Russians.... )

И шепчешь не ………….. ??????????? ……………….

Maybe the previous sentence would make more sense together with this one, but it's a bad photocopy, and the last bit is missing.

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Не воздух, не зелень страданьца манят:

"страданьца" - ????
Again, I know "страдание", so, like with "разгулволнение", I think I get the general idea...
But if someone would care to explain the "-ца" to me?!

Там ясные очи так ярко гарят;

Ура, ура! Another understandable sentence!

Так полны блаженства минуты свиданья

Argh.
"How filled with bliss are (those) minutes of meeting again"?
Sorta?
It would make sense in the context.
But:

Так сладки надеждой часы расставанья.

Wot?! He's happy to say goodbye now?!

"сладки" refers to "часы", doesn't it? Where does the simple "-и" ending come from?
The best I can make of it is: "How sweet with hope are the hours of parting" - with which I think he really means to say "all the hours we are apart are filled with sweet hope (of seeing her again)".......

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Pheweyyy. A pretty tough cookie (for me.)
But what sound and rhythm in this text - it has a gorgeous ring to it. I hope the Russians amongst you realize how lucky you are to have been born into such a beautiful language....



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Попутная песня
Дым столбом - кипит, дымится
Пароход... *
Пестрота, разгул, волненье,
Ожиданье, нетерпенье...
Православный веселится
Наш народ. **
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

Нет, тайная дума быстрее летит,
И сердце, мгновенья считая, стучит.
Коварные думы мелькают дорогой,
И шепчешь невольно: "О Боже, как долго!"

Дым столбом - кипит, дымится
Пароход...
Пестрота, разгул, волненье,
Ожиданье, нетерпенье...
Православный веселится
Наш народ.
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

Не воздух, не зелень страдальца манят, -
Там ясные очи так ярко горят,
Так полны блаженства минуты свиданья,
Так сладки надеждой часы расставанья.

Дым столбом - кипит, дымится
Пароход...
Пестрота, разгул, волненье,
Ожиданье, нетерпенье...
Православный веселится
Наш народ.
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле. ***
( 15 июля 1840 года )

* - Паровоз первоначально называли пароходом
** - В более позднем исполнении, знакомом большинству по записям, "Веселится и ликует весь народ".
*** - Предпоследние строки повторяются дважды, затем последняя строка повторяется дважды.


http://poetrus.by.ru/137/137s.htm#4

http://www.admin.debryansk.ru/~press/Pe ... s0001.html

See my previous post first

Дым столбом кыпит, дымится пароход!

Now it comes off - кипит is the right variant

Пестрота, разгул, волненье, ожиданье, нетерпенье!

We can use both variants "-ние" and "-нье", especially in poems

Нет тайная дума быстрее летит,

comma missing

Нет, тайная дума быстрее летит -- No, a secret thought flies swifter

Коварные думы мелькают дорогой

дорогй - instrumental from дорога (road, way, oath).
Кто? Что? - дорога
Кем? Чем? - дорогой

So, we can translate it ilke this:

guileful thoughts are flashing by on the way

Originally Posted by mishau_

Now it comes off - кипит is the right variant

Oh good - I got that

разгул, волненье

Ooooooooooooooooooooooh, I seeeeeeeeee........ Thanks, I'd never have found that by myself - the handwriting was pretty messy, I was sure it was one word - and my russian is far from being good enough to know myself that there were two words there....

We can use both variants "-ние" and "-нье", especially in poems

Oh, even today? I didn't realize

И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

Ouch. So it's not "faster than...."?
Would someone care to translate this bit for me then (the first half) - I only seem able to grasp the general idea.....

[quote:25eb9ibh]Нет тайная дума быстрее летит,

comma missing
Нет, тайная дума быстрее летит -- No, a secret thought flies swifter[/quote:25eb9ibh]



Then I understand it even less, to be honest (told you I'm stoopid )
What does the Нет refer to in the context then? To the train being faster than the oxen?

[quote:25eb9ibh]Коварные думы мелькают дорогой

дорогй - instrumental from дорога (road, way, oath).
Кто? Что? - дорога
Кем? Чем? - дорогой

So, we can translate it ilke this:

guileful thoughts are flashing by on the way[/quote:25eb9ibh]

Again.... yes, that's what I first thought.... only it didn't make sense to me - the guy's all happy about being on the train, it's fast, it's exiting, and he's going to see his girlfriend - so why would guileful thoughts be flashing by?!
Or don't I want to know?! Some things are better kept private...

И шепчешь невольно: "О Боже, как долго!"

HURRAAAAH!!!! THANK YOU!!!
Soooo - is that what the nasty thoughts are about - it still being far away?




Thanks very much, Mishau - lots of new input there for my small grey cells! And thanks for the great links - you're a much beter Googler than I am



BY

Quote:
We can use both variants "-ние" and "-нье", especially in poems


Oh, even today? I didn't realize Smile

Today?? Once again, the song is dated by July 15, 1840.

И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

And more and more faster, stronger than (one's) will, the train is rushing in the large field.

then I understand it even less, to be honest (told you I'm stoopid Embarassed )
What does the Нет refer to in the context then? To the train being faster than the oxen?

As you see, in the first part they say the train is fast.
In the second part ithey disagree with the first one, like this:

Part I: The train is rushing at full speed
Part II: No, it isn't. Securiry thoughts are flashing by fatser.

Originally Posted by mishau_

И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

Поезд мчится в чистом поле, чиста поезд, чиста в поле...

Originally Posted by mishau_

Today?? Once again, the song is dated by July 15, 1840.

Yes, I know that.

I just wondered because you said "we can use... etc" - which I understood as as an activity in the present.
So - basically, you'll still find both endings, the older one especially in poetry, but only the -ние one is commonly used today. Right?
Sorry for misunderstanding.

[quote:2702omvn]
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

And more and more faster, stronger than (one's) will, the train is rushing in the large field.[/quote:2702omvn]


Thanks!

As you see, in the first part they say the train is fast.
In the second part ithey disagree with the first one, like this:

Part I: The train is rushing at full speed
Part II: No, it isn't. Securiry thoughts are flashing by fatser.

Makes sense now - thank you.


BY

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by mishau_

И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

Поезд мчится в чистом поле, чиста поезд, чиста в поле...

*LOL* JJ - yes, go on! Make a poor desperate foreigner even more miserable!



BY

I just wondered because you said "we can use... etc" - which I understood as as an activity in the present.

Actually, you understood it properly.

For example:

Желанья

...
Три желанья, три желанья,
У меня всего лишь три желанья,
Нету рыбки золотой.

http://sv-krk.narod.ru/dusha_pesni/pese ... lanija.htm


...
Три желанья, три желания
Прошу исполнить эти три желания
Что я желаю, знаешь сам

http://nikolaevh1.narod.ru/song/other/k ... lania.html


Старанья

...
Всегда, везде с начала и до окончанья света -
Отыщется ценитель уродов и шутов.
И за твои старанья швырнет тебе монету,
А за монету эту ты умереть готов...

http://web.ru/bards/Miheeva/part6.htm

Is this song of historical significance?

Originally Posted by mishau_

Actually, you understood it properly.

So we're on the same wavelength after all - good!


I find that very, very interesting - I don't know of any other language where different forms of the same word can be used alongside one another..... Anyone?

Especially: "Три желанья, три желания" - very intriguing (for a russian-illiterate like me) ..... would the nuance between the two be the same as between f.ex "с тобою" and "с тобой" (poetical vs 'basic')?

Originally Posted by BabaYaga

Especially: "Три желанья, три желания" - very intriguing (for a russian-illiterate like me) ..... would the nuance between the two be the same as between f.ex "с тобою" and "с тобой" (poetical vs 'basic')?

I wouldn't say that it poetical or usual form [с тобой] and [с тобойу] - in spoken language the last vowel is reduced. The same thing with желание /желанье - и makes н soft and its reduced, IMHO.

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by mishau_

И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.

Поезд мчится в чистом поле, чиста поезд, чиста в поле...

Меня подбило

Originally Posted by JJ

Originally Posted by BabaYaga

Especially: "Три желанья, три желания" - very intriguing (for a russian-illiterate like me) ..... would the nuance between the two be the same as between f.ex "с тобою" and "с тобой" (poetical vs 'basic')?

I wouldn't say that it poetical or usual form [с тобой] and [с тобойу] - in spoken language the last vowel is reduced. The same thing with желание /желанье - и makes н soft and its reduced, IMHO.

Aha. So, in your opinion, in the combo "Три желанья, три желания" , has the poet used the two forms next to one another merely to play with the sound of the language, not because there is a difference in meaning register?

Aha. So, in your opinion, in the combo "Три желанья, три желания" , has the poet used the two forms next to one another merely to play with the sound of the language, not because there is a difference in meaning register?

Just in order to fit in the measure and rythm. There is no difference in meaning register.

Originally Posted by BabaYaga

....not because there is a difference in meaning register?

Exactly. When I speak fast I always say желанье, тобой etc. but when I want to emphasize something I mostly say желание, тобою... and so on.

OK, I get it now. Fascinating.
Thanks very much, both of you.


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