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Is there anyone here who has the text to Glinka's Попутная песня?
I figure learning it and singing it (to speed!) must be the best gymnastics exercise for the speech apparatus..... if I can handle pronouncing that, I can handle anything..... :lol:
BY
http://notes.tarakanov.net/songs/glinkapoput.zip
The only problem it is handwritten... Let us know if you have problems reading it... :wink:
Thank you very much, Mike!!! :D :D :D
Wonderful to have the notes too........ :D
I've had a quick look..... and yes, I will definitely have problems reading it - *LOL* - but I'll give it my best shot before I bother you guys :wink:
It'll be my homework for the coming weeks..... :roll:
Thanks again - great to finally have it!
BY
Hmmmmmmm..... would someone give me a hand with this one, please? I have some - probably very silly - questions...... but then, I only ever took three weeks of russian (many many moons ago), so I could really use some help.... :lol:
Here goes - my best shot:
Попутная песня
муз. М.Глинка
Сл. Н.Кукольника
Дым столбом кыпит, дымится пароход!
As far as I can read the handwriting, it does say "кыпит"; logically, my guess would be that it's an old form of "кипит" - am I right, or is there such a verb as "кыпить"?!
"пароход": seeing that the rest of the text is about a train, I'd drop the boat just this once and just go for "steam engine".......
Пестрота, разгулволненье, ожиданье, нетерпенье!
Though nowadays, all endings would be "-ние", pretty straightforward, except for "разгулволнение" - I couldn't find that anywhere.... I know "разгулье" so I understand what the man means.... but is this an old form? A superlative of some kind? Or just poetic freedom?!
Great phrase, BTW - you can just see them all waving little coloured flags, their little faces shining with mirth and excitement *LOL*
Веселится и ликует весь народ,
Thank heavens, a simple sentence!
И быстрее шибче воли поезд мчится в чистом поле.
Now say that ten times fast!! :lol:
I lurve the sound of this sentence - is that a train or what?!
I don't love the (grammatical) construction of the beginning though (or it doesn't like me) - "шибче" refers to "воли", no? So "быстрее шибче воли" : "faster than the strongest oxen"? But if so, I don't really understand the endings....... :oops:
So I'd be really grateful if someone could pick this sentence apart for me.....
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Нет тайная дума быстрее летит,
"No secret thought flies faster" - but why is there no genitive after "Нет"?
"A secret thought doesn't fly faster" - but then, why is it "Нет" and not "Не"?
Stoopid moi..... :oops:
И сердце мгновенья считая стучит:
This bit I get..... Ура.....
Коварные думы мелькают дорогой
Help. :(
Why is "дорогой" instrumental here? Does that come automatically with "мелькать"?
Also, I don't get the meaning of this bit..... Why would nasty thoughts flash by along the way - I thought he was happy being on the train?! (weird people, these Russians.... :wink: :lol: )
И шепчешь не ………….. ??????????? ……………….
Maybe the previous sentence would make more sense together with this one, but it's a bad photocopy, and the last bit is missing. :(
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Не воздух, не зелень страданьца манят:
"страданьца" - ????
Again, I know "страдание", so, like with "разгулволнение", I think I get the general idea...
But if someone would care to explain the "-ца" to me?! :|
Там ясные очи так ярко гарят;
Ура, ура! Another understandable sentence!
Так полны блаженства минуты свиданья
Argh.
"How filled with bliss are (those) minutes of meeting again"?
Sorta?
It would make sense in the context.
But:
Так сладки надеждой часы расставанья.
Wot?! He's happy to say goodbye now?! :o
:lol:
"сладки" refers to "часы", doesn't it? Where does the simple "-и" ending come from?
The best I can make of it is: "How sweet with hope are the hours of parting" - with which I think he really means to say "all the hours we are apart are filled with sweet hope (of seeing her again)".......
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Pheweyyy. A pretty tough cookie (for me.)
But what sound and rhythm in this text - it has a gorgeous ring to it. I hope the Russians amongst you realize how lucky you are to have been born into such a beautiful language.... :)
8)
BY
Попутная песня
Дым столбом - кипит, дымится
Пароход... *
Пестрота, разгул, волненье,
Ожиданье, нетерпенье...
Православный веселится
Наш народ. **
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.
Нет, тайная дума быстрее летит,
И сердце, мгновенья считая, стучит.
Коварные думы мелькают дорогой,
И шепчешь невольно: "О Боже, как долго!"
Дым столбом - кипит, дымится
Пароход...
Пестрота, разгул, волненье,
Ожиданье, нетерпенье...
Православный веселится
Наш народ.
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.
Не воздух, не зелень страдальца манят, -
Там ясные очи так ярко горят,
Так полны блаженства минуты свиданья,
Так сладки надеждой часы расставанья.
Дым столбом - кипит, дымится
Пароход...
Пестрота, разгул, волненье,
Ожиданье, нетерпенье...
Православный веселится
Наш народ.
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле. ***
( 15 июля 1840 года )
* - Паровоз первоначально называли пароходом
** - В более позднем исполнении, знакомом большинству по записям, "Веселится и ликует весь народ".
*** - Предпоследние строки повторяются дважды, затем последняя строка повторяется дважды.
http://poetrus.by.ru/137/137s.htm#4
http://www.admin.debryansk.ru/~press/Pe ... s0001.html
See my previous post first
Now it comes off - кипит is the right variantQuote:
Дым столбом кыпит, дымится пароход!
We can use both variants "-ние" and "-нье", especially in poemsQuote:
Пестрота, разгул, волненье, ожиданье, нетерпенье!
comma missingQuote:
Нет тайная дума быстрее летит,
Нет, тайная дума быстрее летит -- No, a secret thought flies swifter
дорогй - instrumental from дорога (road, way, oath).Quote:
Коварные думы мелькают дорогой
Кто? Что? - дорога
Кем? Чем? - дорогой
So, we can translate it ilke this:
guileful thoughts are flashing by on the way
Oh good - I got that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mishau_
Ooooooooooooooooooooooh, I seeeeeeeeee........ :D Thanks, I'd never have found that by myself - the handwriting was pretty messy, I was sure it was one word - and my russian is far from being good enough to know myself that there were two words there....Quote:
разгул, волненье
Oh, even today? I didn't realize :)Quote:
We can use both variants "-ние" and "-нье", especially in poems
Ouch. So it's not "faster than...."?Quote:
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.
Would someone care to translate this bit for me then (the first half) - I only seem able to grasp the general idea.....
comma missingQuote:
[quote:25eb9ibh]Нет тайная дума быстрее летит,
Нет, тайная дума быстрее летит -- No, a secret thought flies swifter[/quote:25eb9ibh]
:?
Then I understand it even less, to be honest (told you I'm stoopid :oops: )
What does the Нет refer to in the context then? To the train being faster than the oxen?
дорогй - instrumental from дорога (road, way, oath).Quote:
[quote:25eb9ibh]Коварные думы мелькают дорогой
Кто? Что? - дорога
Кем? Чем? - дорогой
So, we can translate it ilke this:
guileful thoughts are flashing by on the way[/quote:25eb9ibh]
Again.... yes, that's what I first thought.... only it didn't make sense to me - the guy's all happy about being on the train, it's fast, it's exiting, and he's going to see his girlfriend - so why would guileful thoughts be flashing by?! :lol:
Or don't I want to know?! :o :lol: Some things are better kept private... :lol:
HURRAAAAH!!!! THANK YOU!!! :DQuote:
И шепчешь невольно: "О Боже, как долго!"
Soooo - is that what the nasty thoughts are about - it still being far away?
Thanks very much, Mishau - lots of new input there for my small grey cells! And thanks for the great links - you're a much beter Googler than I am :wink:
8)
BY
Today?? Once again, the song is dated by July 15, 1840.Quote:
Quote:
We can use both variants "-ние" and "-нье", especially in poems
Oh, even today? I didn't realize Smile
And more and more faster, stronger than (one's) will, the train is rushing in the large field.Quote:
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.
As you see, in the first part they say the train is fast.Quote:
then I understand it even less, to be honest (told you I'm stoopid Embarassed )
What does the Нет refer to in the context then? To the train being faster than the oxen?
In the second part ithey disagree with the first one, like this:
Part I: The train is rushing at full speed
Part II: No, it isn't. Securiry thoughts are flashing by fatser.
Поезд мчится в чистом поле, чиста поезд, чиста в поле... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mishau_
Yes, I know that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mishau_
I just wondered because you said "we can use... etc" - which I understood as as an activity in the present.
So - basically, you'll still find both endings, the older one especially in poetry, but only the -ние one is commonly used today. Right? :)
Sorry for misunderstanding.
And more and more faster, stronger than (one's) will, the train is rushing in the large field.[/quote:2702omvn]Quote:
[quote:2702omvn]
И быстрее, шибче воли
Поезд мчится в чистом поле.
Thanks!
Makes sense now - thank you.Quote:
As you see, in the first part they say the train is fast.
In the second part ithey disagree with the first one, like this:
Part I: The train is rushing at full speed
Part II: No, it isn't. Securiry thoughts are flashing by fatser.
BY
*LOL* JJ - yes, go on! Make a poor desperate foreigner even more miserable!Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ
:wink:
BY
Actually, you understood it properly.Quote:
I just wondered because you said "we can use... etc" - which I understood as as an activity in the present.
For example:
Желанья
...
Три желанья, три желанья,
У меня всего лишь три желанья,
Нету рыбки золотой.
http://sv-krk.narod.ru/dusha_pesni/pese ... lanija.htm
...
Три желанья, три желания
Прошу исполнить эти три желания
Что я желаю, знаешь сам
http://nikolaevh1.narod.ru/song/other/k ... lania.html
Старанья
...
Всегда, везде с начала и до окончанья света -
Отыщется ценитель уродов и шутов.
И за твои старанья швырнет тебе монету,
А за монету эту ты умереть готов...
http://web.ru/bards/Miheeva/part6.htm
Is this song of historical significance?
So we're on the same wavelength after all - good! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by mishau_
I find that very, very interesting - I don't know of any other language where different forms of the same word can be used alongside one another..... Anyone? :?:
Especially: "Три желанья, три желания" - very intriguing (for a russian-illiterate like me) ..... would the nuance between the two be the same as between f.ex "с тобою" and "с тобой" (poetical vs 'basic')?
I wouldn't say that it poetical or usual form [с тобой] and [с тобойу] - in spoken language the last vowel is reduced. The same thing with желание /желанье - и makes н soft and its reduced, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by BabaYaga
:D Меня подбило :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ
Aha. So, in your opinion, in the combo "Три желанья, три желания" , has the poet used the two forms next to one another merely to play with the sound of the language, not because there is a difference in meaning register?
Just in order to fit in the measure and rythm. There is no difference in meaning register.Quote:
Aha. So, in your opinion, in the combo "Три желанья, три желания" , has the poet used the two forms next to one another merely to play with the sound of the language, not because there is a difference in meaning register?
Exactly. When I speak fast I always say желанье, тобой etc. but when I want to emphasize something I mostly say желание, тобою... and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BabaYaga
OK, I get it now. Fascinating.
Thanks very much, both of you. :)
BY