Thread: Почему распался Советский Союз? Что происходит в Прибалтике, и немного истории

Originally Posted by mergike

occupation

Никакой оккупации не было, и твои предки имели такие же права, как и любой житель СССР.
null-ю сказки рассказывай, он из поколения пепси.

Originally Posted by BappaBa

Никакой оккупации не было, и твои предки имели такие же права, как и любой житель СССР.
null-ю сказки рассказывай, он из поколения пепси.

What if they wanted to have more rights than average Soviet citizens which would've been possible if they hadn't been annexed to the USSR?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

What if they wanted to have more rights than average Soviet citizens which would've been possible if they hadn't been annexed to the USSR?

Здесь ты прав, СССР не давал прав на сегрегацию, апартеид и т.п.

СССР не давал прав на сегрегацию

That's Right - Latvia should end this segregation and close ALL russian schools immediately

Originally Posted by nulle

That's Right - Latvia should end this segregation and close ALL russian schools immediately

Maybe instead, the EU should tell Latvia & co to follow the rules on how to treat minorities, or no more development funds!
Btw - all that money being spent on developing the Baltic states is nothing less than (oh horror!) Socialism!
Taking money from the richer parts and redistributing to parts that need it right now.

Personally I think it is good, but I would like to see the countries that benefit from this EU principle also adhering to directives such as provisioning for language minorities and granting citizenship to those born in the country! As all other civilised European countries do.

When the Baltics don't do this, then I don't want my tax money spent on fixing up their churches and roads and what-have-you. If you are going to reap the econonomic benefits, you should respect the social principles.

And the whole point for christ's sake is to NOT bang on about who's done what wrong! All European countries have behaved like pigs at one point or another. If that was a reason for mistreating people, then we might as well nuke the whole continent right away.

If the UK, Spain, Finland, France, Italy and many more can manage to treat language minorities ok then why can't the Baltics? How can it be OK to discriminate a small child or a pensioner because you think the Stalin took the wrong decision in the 1940s, or because you have a low opinion about Putin? I think it's pathetic and very un-European.

Sources:
Demographics of Latvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Demographics of Estonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Demographics of Lithuania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes Basil77, but look a bit further -
File:Ethnic groups in Latvia.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And you will see that number of ethnic Latvians was +/- constant all the time (but is slowly decreasing now).
Ethnic Russian population on the other hand decreased a lot faster.
And rapid increase of Russian population in Soviet times was because Moscow sent immigrants here - and their inflow stopped after USSR dissolution.
And as you can see a lot of them went back to USSR after that.


The same with Estonia - ethnic Estonian population did not change much - Russian population decreased there.
And the same with Lithuania.
In all Baltic states, after occupation ended, percentage of "main" ethnicity grew, but Russian population decreased.
And we view that as a good sign.


Latvian population decreased in 90s because it was a period of crisis and uncertainty and people chose to have less children.
Russia's population chart is similar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Po..._of_Russia.PNG

Prices are almost the same as elsewhere in the EU but peoples salaries are much lower.

Look at Greece - their salaries are higher - and look where such policies got them.
Actually so-called crisis was a good thing - most of population learned a lesson that you cannot live off borrowed money forever - Greeks learned this in a harder way now.
I, for example, live a lot better than during pre-crisis or so-called "fat years" - when credits were easy accessible, real-estate bubble was getting bigger and salaries also were higher.
People at that time "lost their minds" over easy accessible cash - for example, low skilled construction workers took credits to buy cars like Porsche Cayenne or BMW X5, because salaries were really overinflated in construction sector at that time.
It's no surprise that such situation did not last long - real estate bubble burst - prices fell, most of construction companies went out of business and banks took these BMWs back .
So you see that this fall of GDP was not really a fall, but more like return to normal situation.
Now GDP is growing again, but more slowly, and this time there is no bubble.