Thread: Почему распался Советский Союз? Что происходит в Прибалтике, и немного истории

Hanna asked: What do people in other ex USSR countries think about Gorbachev?
So, there comes an answer
Lithuania also was a part of Soviet union back then and I (being a Lithuanian myself) think that most of Lithuanians now are really very happy that such a union do not exist now anymore.
I guess Gorbachev actually was the most normal president of Russia compared with other ones that ruled before him...
And actually I'm really happy that Lithuania was the first country who regained independence after these terrible years of occupation and other countries did the same. ( I guess now a lot of Russians who will read this will start to hate me because of what I said but, anyway, it's my oppinion)
Actually, I don't think that Soviet union do not exist anymore because of the things that Gorbachev did.
It's existance wouldn't have lasted much longer even if he hadn't ruled this country. I think that it's really naive to think that you can create a stong union by occupying the country, starting killing and deportating it's people to Siberia... destroying culture and language of this country... trying to make all it's people atheists, nationalizing all their lands and forcing them to work in these terrible farms and of course paying almost nothing for it...and doing many other terrible things and then expect that these countries will want to be a member of such union, even though they never wanted to be a part of it at all!!!
If such a union existed even now, the only one quite good thing would be just that now there wouldn't be any need for me to study Russian language by myself. And you know why? The answer is: because I would have been FORCED to learn that while I was still in primary school! Anyway, noone can change history and it would be quite stupid to start blaming someone now for the things that was done in my country, because nothing would change because of it anyway. But these things can never be delated from peoples' memory.

He did not ALLOW to desintegrate, he deliberately destroyed the Soviet Union.

And many many many many thanks him for that

I guess Gorbachev actually was the most normal president of Russia compared with other ones that ruled before him...

And after him too
Maybe except Yeltsin.

I (being a Lithuanian myself) think that most of Lithuanians now are really very happy that such a union do not exist now anymore.

That's right - most of Baltic people think that way.

Originally Posted by nulle

And many many many many thanks him for that

And after him too
Maybe except Yeltsin.

That's right - most of Baltic people think that way.

Guess the only countries that liked being in the USSR and gained anything from that were its Asian republics. Whereas it was torture for its European territory. I totally understand you, guys.

СССР распался наверное потому что:
1) Бездарные реформы привели к экономическому кризису. А в кризис коллективы распадаются и каждый спасается сам.
2) Элиты почувствовали, что они могут получить выгоду от самостоятельности.
3) Союз никто не держал силой. В сознании людей сидел лозунг о праве наций на самоопределение, поэтому протестов не было.

Originally Posted by mergike

Lithuania also was a part of Soviet union back then and I (being a Lithuanian myself) think that most of Lithuanians now are really very happy that such a union do not exist now anymore.

Читал на одном чеченском сайте (жаль, что его закрыли за экстремизм) прямо противоположное мнение одной литовки. Вот бы вас свети заочно вместе. Она там очень убедительно выступила.

Originally Posted by Юрка

Читал на одном чеченском сайте (жаль, что его закрыли за экстремизм) прямо противоположное мнение одной литовки. Вот бы вас свети заочно вместе. Она там очень убедительно выступила.

I don‘t care what you‘ve read. Is it such your ‘‘proof‘‘ to counter our arguments? Bad try I said what MOST of Lithuanians think about this topic, and if you don‘t believe it then come to my country and ask whatever Lithuanian if he/she liked occupation and all these 50 years of repressions or what they think about 1991 01 13 events. I think that the answer will be clear to you

PS. I understand how much you can‘t stand that we come here and tell all these facts. Anyway, everything we said is complete truth - this is why anyone couldn‘t deny it

Originally Posted by mergike

occupation and all these 50 years of repressions or what they think about 1991 01 13 events

Главное, чтобы вы там (западнее РФ) стали наконец счастливы. Но пока из Украины и Прибалтики я слышу не смех и веселье, а стоны в садо-мазо стиле от ковыряний в своих ранках и царапинках (которым 70-80 лет). То есть сами делаете антирекламу своему суверенитету.

Originally Posted by Юрка

Главное, чтобы вы там (западнее РФ) стали наконец счастливы. Но пока из Украины и Прибалтики я слышу не смех и веселье, а стоны в садо-мазо стиле от ковыряний в своих ранках и царапинках (которым 70-80 лет). То есть сами делаете антирекламу своему суверенитету.

It's pretty significant that you left out Belarus...

Originally Posted by Юрка

Ты уточни, кому именно важно, чтобы мы ушли из Беларуси?
- западу?
- оппозиции?
И что значит "ушли"?
- перестали покупать белорусские товары?
- перестали поставлять свои товары?
- вывели капиталы?
- вывели прессу?

I meant you'd missed Belarus in your list of "moaning about their wounds"...

Requests to extradite criminals are not "moaning about wounds".

Originally Posted by mergike

occupation

Никакой оккупации не было, и твои предки имели такие же права, как и любой житель СССР.
null-ю сказки рассказывай, он из поколения пепси.

Originally Posted by BappaBa

Никакой оккупации не было, и твои предки имели такие же права, как и любой житель СССР.
null-ю сказки рассказывай, он из поколения пепси.

What if they wanted to have more rights than average Soviet citizens which would've been possible if they hadn't been annexed to the USSR?

Originally Posted by Eric C.

What if they wanted to have more rights than average Soviet citizens which would've been possible if they hadn't been annexed to the USSR?

Здесь ты прав, СССР не давал прав на сегрегацию, апартеид и т.п.

СССР не давал прав на сегрегацию

That's Right - Latvia should end this segregation and close ALL russian schools immediately