Thread: Алексей Анатольевич Навальный (Blogger Alexei Navalny)

Unbelievable!!! Well, after reading Basil77's post, I see what you all mean.
I really want to give the US the benefit of the doubt and not be too "anti-American" but they are practically making it impossible.

I still think that somebody needs to stand up against corruption in Russia, but it should be somebody who really cares about the country, not some CIA implant!

The story I read was in a Swedish paper, but I saw the exact same story on the BBC website just now. Clerarly the story abut this "hero" is doing its round around the world.

Based on all this, I'd be quite tempted to throw him in prison myself, if I was Russian (I mean honestly, accepting money from the CIA!!) But that's probably exactly what the CIA psychological warfare experts want, because then he becomes a martyr...

Too bad Russia doesn't exile people to Siberia anymore. Otherwise he could be sent on a nice all-expenses-paid holiday & stay in a nice hotel (no need to mistreat people), and have his uprising in Omsk, or something.....

Originally Posted by Hanna

I still think that somebody needs to stand up against corruption in Russia, but it should be somebody who really cares about the country

precisely
you got the exact point
If one would analyse his actions one would ask a question to oneself: does he really fight against corruption or he's fighting against government and Russian values?

Originally Posted by Doomer

precisely
you got the exact point
If one would analyse his actions one would ask a question to oneself: does he really fight against corruption or he's fighting against government and Russian values?

I think it is universal opinion in Russia that corruption is equivalent of government .

Originally Posted by jnllll

I think it is universal opinion in Russia that corruption is equivalent of government .

it is not
it is an opinion of majority but not everyone
if everybody in government is corrupted then who's gonna fight corruption?
I personally think that things changing for good in Russia but very slowly

Originally Posted by Doomer

it is not
it is an opinion of majority but not everyone
if everybody in government is corrupted then who's gonna fight corruption?
I personally think that things changing for good in Russia but very slowly

Не берусь спорить...
Вообще, судить о том, что происходит в политике - это как судить о том, что происходит на дне грязного, непрозрачного пруда только лишь по расходящимся на его поверхности кругам, но и даже на эти круги смотря через мутные, искажающие очки прессы и телевидения.

Originally Posted by Doomer

If one would analyse his actions one would ask a question to oneself: does he really fight against corruption or he's fighting against government and Russian values?

I think he is fighting the government using its weakness, which is widespread corruption. And that is totally legitimate. He is definitely not fighting "Russian values" for the lack of this term. There's no such thing as national values. If you think I'm wrong, please name at least five Russian values and then five Chinese values. There are other national things, like national character, but no national values.

Originally Posted by Crocodile

There's no such thing as national values. If you think I'm wrong, please name at least five Russian values and then five Chinese values. There are other national things, like national character, but no national values.

If there is no such thing as national values then one would be more than enough, isn't it?
But I'll name two, easy ones
patriotism is first
culture will be second

Originally Posted by Doomer

If there is no such thing as national values then one would be more than enough, isn't it?
But I'll name two, easy ones
patriotism is first
culture will be second

So, based on what you just said, what are the Russian values? What Russian values does Navalniy fight?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

So, based on what you just said, what are the Russian values?

I hope you can read, they written above

Originally Posted by Crocodile

What Russian values does Navalniy fight?

both of what I wrote

Originally Posted by Doomer

both of what I wrote

I honestly fail to see how he does that. Also, those "values" are as much Russian as they are Chinese, Australian and Zulu. I want to see specific examples of how Navalniy fights culture. Is he burning books in public or something?

Originally Posted by Crocodile

There's no such thing as national values.

Is that really true? I would point out that Americans tend to value individualism over loyalty to the extended family/clan, for example. So isn't that an "American value"? (Although not in the sense of being exclusively American and not found at all in other nations -- only in the sense that it is characteristic of America [and some other countries], but is far from being globally universal.)

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

Is that really true? I would point out that Americans tend to value individualism over loyalty to the extended family/clan, for example. So isn't that an "American value"? (Although not in the sense of being exclusively American and not found at all in other nations -- only in the sense that it is characteristic of America [and some other countries], but is far from being globally universal.)

Entrepreneurialism and a "money is king" attitude are American values, I think.

But Russia is really diverse and had a relatively extreme and unusual history over the last 100 years. Maybe because of all the changes they've been through, it's just hard for them to identify with a particular national value.

But for what it's worth I think Russians seem relatively romantic about relationships, really value poetry and literature, and try to help out their family members throughout their lifetimes. They think it's important to always "be there" for their friends, regardless what the friend needs. And I think they value education a lot.

I am comparing to other European countries, particularly in Northern Europe and thoaw things are what stand out to me.

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

Is that really true? I would point out that Americans tend to value individualism over loyalty to the extended family/clan, for example. So isn't that an "American value"? (Although not in the sense of being exclusively American and not found at all in other nations -- only in the sense that it is characteristic of America [and some other countries], but is far from being globally universal.)

I see your point. In my opinion, a value is a social property, not a national property. Like, a democratic society would value individualism and the society of slaveholders would value obedience. Using a raw approximation, at the same point in time the Northern Americans valued equality whilst the Southern Americans valued bourne supremacy. I think, a nation is too broad a term, which spans multiple societies, cultures and subcultures.