Thread: Western Propaganda aka клюква lol

FIREFOX - featuring some of the worst Russian ever spoken by Clint Eastwood... but somehow no one was fooled!!

Наоборот, the telepathically-controlled computer was fooled!

Brother's War (2009)

(текст с Удава, ненорматив)

Сегодня на очереди диафильмы, с обзором самого несмотрибельного говна, которое предназначено открыть миру "правду": На этот раз, с русофобией отжигают не свидомые, а их любимые хозяева, замахнувшись не на йух собачий а на события весны 1945 года.

Американское кино про русских, всегда отличалось толерантным обаянием и какой-то неземной "любовью". Особенно это проявлялось в те времена, когда кефир еще никто не называл бифидоком а от молока его отличали по крышечке из зеленой фольги с тиснёной датой розлива. А где-то на Советской Украине, скромный комсомолец Витя Ющенко сидел в смешных нарукавниках и щелкал на счётах в душной бухгалтерии села Хоруживка...

Конечно мы тогда нийуха не знали, что, за океаном, в воспалённой фантазии пендосов бородатые амбалы в надвинутых на самые глаза, пилотках и в валенках на босу ногу, уже высаживались на пляж Майами, срубая очередями бедных американских отдыхающих, а очередной Чак Норрис, возмущенный таким беспределом, в одиночку пи3дил приёмами каратэ и остальными подручными средствами, армию русских захватчиков... Эпоха видеосалонов и всеобщей эйфории, наступила гораздо позже "Красной жары" и прочих фильмов про врага из страны где по улицам разгуливают медведи, а люди целыми днями пьют VODKA из SAMOVAR's.

Американцы, снимавшие в то время такие фильмы, тоже не знали, что спустя годы не будет никакого Советского Союза, кардинально поменяется образ врага, а их героическая нация, кинематографичненько уничтожавшая на экранах не одну армию злобных русских захватчиков, (и заодно с ними другие полчища недружелюбных космических уродов) - жалко обосрётся от страха после тупой выходки компании обкуренных ослоёбов, угнавших самолёты и по приколу, протаранивших два небскрёба...

Снимать фильмы про войну, в Америке последних лет, стало совсем не комильфо. Да подумайте сами, кто пойдёт на фильм о бравом летчике Джоне Смите, который полфильма летит бомбить Белград в комфортабельном салоне "Стеллса", а остальные полфильма возвращается на базу... Такова оказалась, совсем не героическая действительность, и американское кино резко поменяло вектор интереса на комедии и локальные боевички...

Темы Великой Отечественной, время от времени проскакивали в образе традиционных немецких злодеев, в основном в кинохитах типа "Списка Шиндлера", "Индианы Джонса" и сказочного "Хеллбоя". Остальные киновысеры проходили фоном, и общественностью толком не были замечены. (Во всяком случае, большая их часть).

Русских в этих фильмах старались не трогать. Иначе пришлось бы объяснять зрителю, что делали в сорок пятом году русские в Берлине, когда измученные сражениями техасские зубопротезисты Джонсон и Джонсон поднимали флаг над Рейхстагом, а молодой Рон МакДональд, в клетчатой рубашке, со словам "Свободная касса!", заботливо протягивал фюреру яд.

Полностью: http://www.udaff.org/view_listen/movie/98729/

Полковник Петров: актёр Майкл Бэрримен
(на майорские погоны не смотрите. По версии пендосов у нас такие полковники)


Русские! Ох эти проклятые русские! Они убивают нямок прямо из пистолетов в голову... Звери какие-то!



Антураж: Русские варвары постоянно сидят в мятых, несуразных гимнастёрках, в каких-то мрачных подвалах, за грязными столами, накрытыми газетами, вместо ламп используют свечи, от которых еще и прикуривают а на стенах обязательно висит чумовая абассака - портрет людоеда Сталина, кисти неизвестного Пикассо!


А вот бравые американские командиры, напротив, сидят в кабинетах как нормальные, цивилизованные люди. Причем за модными столами из красного дерева. У них есть книжные полки, сувенирная зажигалка-пушечка и даже винтажный ноутбук. А на стене, традиционно висит Американский флаг...


Из грузовика пулемётом, рядовые советские злодеи, косят польских министров на полянке.


Полковник Петров за работой.

While the Soviet citizens were obliged to go to party meetings where they were totally brainwashed about how cool living in the "socialist paradise" was, and how miserable Americans were, + different ideologically arranged demonstrations where they were carrying posters that praised those in power who made them slaves, the Americans could still decide if they would watch those movies.

Originally Posted by Throbert McGee

But at the same time, the American personnel on the sub are treated respectfully as professional military men in a difficult situation, not as monstrous stereotypes. (The cause of the crisis is an American sailor who goes crazy after accidental exposure to radiation -- as opposed to Kubrick's film, where the US military guys are nearly all jingoists and idiots, and the Soviet ambassador is almost as bad, with the British officer as the only voice of sanity.)

You know, Kubrick with his 'Full metal jacket' made bigger propagandistic effect on me than the Incident in the square 36-80.

Does Bond count? It's difficult deciding which Bond Vs The Russians is the best!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HxjKv9VXIs&

Mustn't forget the best part:

Показательно, что Eric C. не смог припомнить ни одного равного по тупизне и ненависти советского фильма про американцев, и переключился на демонстрации. lol
Продолжай, не сдерживай себя! =)

Here'a a great mashup of all the best клюква~

Originally Posted by BappaBa

Показательно, что Eric C. не смог припомнить ни одного равного по тупизне и ненависти советского фильма про американцев, и переключился на демонстрации.

Потому, что таких фильмов не было. В основном, похожие фильмы снимались у нас про времена Великой Отечественной про немцев. Там градус неадеквата зачастую был вполне сравним с Голливудским. Как я уже неоднократно пытался вставить свои две копейки, СССР не готовился реально воевать с США. Главная армия вероятного противника в те достославные времена - Бундесвер. И пропаганда типа "реваншистские ФРГ и Бундесвер - наследники фашизма и Вермахта". На то и натаскивали. А у США в ту студёную, зимную пору другого вероятного противника не было.

Originally Posted by BappaBa

Показательно, что Eric C. не смог припомнить ни одного равного по тупизне и ненависти советского фильма про американцев, и переключился на демонстрации.

Here I partly agree with you. There weren't really many anti American nasty propaganda movies in the USSR. But considering such movies a sort of propaganda, you can't really say it's the only one. The USSR didn't really need them because it pushed forward other, way more effective sorts of propaganda. In my previous post I was simply clarifying what they were.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Here I partly agree with you. There weren't really many anti American nasty propaganda movies in the USSR.

There were no nasty anti-American movies of such a magnitude in the USSR. Period.

What about other kinds of anti-American propaganda, it existed, and, funnily enough, it was largely true (even if it was full of pathos and ugly rhetoric). After all, there were homeless and unemployed, there were riots, drug wars and a cult of money, race discrimination (which was very much in place during 60's), military invasions, etc.etc. But thankfully there were no films about an army of American commandos, played by intentionally ugly people clad in cowboy boots, attacking Kremlin. Soviet scriptwriters apparently had some self-respect.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

The USSR didn't really need them because it pushed forward other, way more effective sorts of propaganda. In my previous post I was simply clarifying what they were.

How effective could it have been? It didn't work on you, that's for sure!
Seems that you were severely affected by the American propaganda, despite not even living there. Which just proves the point.
If you have any examples of this "effective" and convincing USSR propaganda, let's see it!

Until you come up with some hard evidence, I maintain that America has and always had, considerably more effective and all encompassing propaganda than a some red banners, stars and murals in the USSR.

Gosh, in the USA, there is even a commercial break on TV every 10 minutes, to advertise what essentially adds up to "the American dream". At least in the USSR, people could watch TV relatively uninterupted. We've already established elsewhere that there is roughly the same amount of ideological and nationalistic influence in children, and that the USA had considerably more films and TV series depicting the enemy in a negative light.

So let's see some examples of this super efficient USSR propaganda that you are talking about, Eric!

I think "evil Communists" is more accurate. The Russian people aren't their government. Of course, some Russians were/are Communists, though. I'll be glad when authoritarianism works its way of Russia, any country for that matter, and the people are freer as individuals.

Originally Posted by shackleford

I think "evil Communists" is more accurate. The Russian people aren't their government. Of course, some Russians were/are Communists, though. I'll be glad when authoritarianism works its way of Russia, any country for that matter, and the people are freer as individuals.

What support do you have for your assumption that Russians need to be "freer as individuals"? Do the people on this forum seem oppressed to you? As far as I am concerned, Americans with their lack of knowledge about other countries and prejudice from biaised media are just as much in need of liberation.

And as for "evil communists" well, in case you did not know: Communists around the world have volunteered their time to teach illiterate people to read, made cities out of wilderness, built housing for people who lived in shacks, provided free medical care to people who would otherwise have died, and helped defeat Nazism, just to mention a few things. Sure, many bad things have been done in the name of Communism, and some of its ideals may be offputting but I still think you need to inform yourself a bit better.

Originally Posted by Hanna

What support do you have for your assumption that Russians need to be "freer as individuals"? Do the people on this forum seem oppressed to you? As far as I am concerned, Americans with their lack of knowledge about other countries and prejudice from biaised media are just as much in need of liberation.

And as for "evil communists" well, in case you did not know: Communists around the world have volunteered their time to teach illiterate people to read, made cities out of wilderness, built housing for people who lived in shacks, provided free medical care to people who would otherwise have died, and helped defeat Nazism, just to mention a few things. Sure, many bad things have been done in the name of Communism, and some of its ideals may be offputting but I still think you need to inform yourself a bit better.

See? What could be better evidence of effectiveness of the communist propaganda? Even after 20 years since the utopia was revealed there are still affected minds. But I agree with shackleford, it was certainly not the fault of those poor people that they were treated that bad. In fact, many of them were strong enough not to buy that propaganda while they were virtually forced to listen to it.

American propaganda is the most effective in the world. Anyone who disagrees with that should just open their eyes and LOOK at other countries, which have thrown away their own cultures in favor of the 'COOL' image we showed them.

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot that is "cool" about America, but it is not cooler than anyone else's culture. It certainly is not worth trading in traditional values such as caring for your fellow human beings, sharing when times are tough, and working together to build something great. Those USED TO BE American values too, not so very long ago.

The reason American propaganda is so effective is because it based on ADVERTISING strategies. Those "Mad Men" did countless focus groups and studies to show what advertising strategies work best... and our government also uses them. Ask anyone in the world, and they will tell you that American propaganda is by FAR the most effective. Unfortunately.

You're confusing two separate issues. Communism as a political philosophy is abhorrent and dangerous. It violates the fundamentals of individualism, freedom, and private property rights. The movies and otherwise may have generalized every Russian as an "evil Communist." That's silly. Of course, they weren't, just like not every German was a Nazi. However, their vilification of the tyrannical government is certainly more accurate and warranted. Again, the Russian people are not their government, just like the American people are not their government. Much of the U.S. government is corrupt and incompetent. People can never be too free, so long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. The Russian people can be more free and they should be more free, just like all people. I'm a conservative-libertarian if you can't tell already.

Communism as a political philosophy is abhorrent and dangerous. It violates the fundamentals of individualism, freedom, and private property rights.

This sounds like you just regurgitated something that you have been told over and over, your entire life.

Communism was not the problem. Corruption was. And is.

This all-or-nothing, either/or, black/white thinking is what gets us into trouble. Not everything about communism is BAD, and not everything about democracy is GOOD. We need to think outside of our respective ideologies and look for what simply WORKS best. And corruption should be our common enemy which unites us instead of dividing us.

Originally Posted by Deborski

The reason American propaganda is so effective is because it based on ADVERTISING strategies.

...whcih in turn are based on Goebbels's (Nazi propaganda minister) theories

Originally Posted by shackleford

You're confusing two separate issues. Communism as a political philosophy is abhorrent and dangerous. It violates the fundamentals of individualism, freedom, and private property rights.

You sound as if there was something bad about it.

(See how a libertarian mind works - it assumes that individualism, freedom and private property rights are UNIVERSAL values and marks 'abhorrent and dangerous' anything that disagrees with that).

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Потому, что таких фильмов не было.

Фильмы про плохих амеров были (напр. ТАСС уполномочен...), но олигофренами их, конечно, не показывали. А самый антиамериканский фильм к-рый я видел, это грымовские "Чужие".

Originally Posted by Crocodile

Главная армия вероятного противника в те достославные времена - Бундесвер. И пропаганда типа "реваншистские ФРГ и Бундесвер - наследники фашизма и Вермахта". На то и натаскивали. А у США в ту студёную, зимную пору другого вероятного противника не было.

Имхо, для нас армия вероятного противника это вся русофобская Европа, ВОВ это отлично показала. Честно говоря, я такой бодяги "реваншистские ФРГ и Бундесвер - наследники фашизма и Вермахта" не помню, помню только критику за размещение амерских першингов.