Thread: Western Propaganda aka клюква lol

Speaking of propaganda; The EU banned the "Press TV" alternative news channel and 19 other entertainment channels out of Iran.

So much for freedom of press!

You can look at whatever junk you want, as long as it doesn't have a controversial message.
I.e. there are about 10 big European news channels that pretty much say the same thing about everything, with a local twist. Then there are a few American ones that go along with the same message, just a bit more aggressive and dumbed down. Then there is Russia Today and Press TV that actually have a different message. And now one of them is shut down. Let's see how long until Russia Today is blocked! It's not available in any cable packages that I've come across, but at least those with Satellite can tune in to it.

Some think this was done in preparation for an attack on Iran, alternatively because PressTV reports the other side of the story in the Syria conflict.

Anyone who wants to sign the petition to the EU against banning PressTV, sign here! http://www.change.org/petitions/pres...s-tv-in-europe

Originally Posted by Hanna

Speaking of propaganda; The EU banned the "Press TV" alternative news channel and 19 other entertainment channels out of Iran.

So much for freedom of press!

You can look at whatever junk you want, as long as it doesn't have a controversial message.
I.e. there are about 10 big European news channels that pretty much say the same thing about everything, with a local twist. Then there are a few American ones that go along with the same message, just a bit more aggressive and dumbed down. Then there is Russia Today and Press TV that actually have a different message. And now one of them is shut down. Let's see how long until Russia Today is blocked! It's not available in any cable packages that I've come across, but at least those with Satellite can tune in to it.

Some think this was done in preparation for an attack on Iran, alternatively because PressTV reports the other side of the story in the Syria conflict.

Anyone who wants to sign the petition to the EU against banning PressTV, sign here! http://www.change.org/petitions/pres...s-tv-in-europe

It's obvious the EU (EU countries/states) are not interested in freedoms and thus, freedom of expression. But, Russia is no different. Putin et al. would have you believe that he is independent (that is an independent thinker and different from the EU) but that is false. The Russian government has similar policies and values to the EU. They also ban anything considered 'controversial.' There's many examples but the 'Innocence of Islam' video is just one e.g. What is interesting is that Putin speaks with a 'forked tongue' so to speak. On one hand, he'll speak up to ordinary Russians and say what many want to hear. He'll lecture the West and state his grievances with their policies while he actually does the same or similar. It's very clever since many Russians are preoccupied with daily routine (problems inherent etc.) so to really care about perceived infringements or violations against (their) freedoms takes a backseat or is barely acknowledged, if at all.

Most countries are pursuing a sort of police state. One only has to open their eyes and be open-minded.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

It's obvious the EU (EU countries/states) are not interested in freedoms and thus, freedom of expression. But, Russia is no different. Putin et al. would have you believe that he is independent (that is an independent thinker and different from the EU) but that is false. The Russian government has similar policies and values to the EU. They also ban anything considered 'controversial.' There's many examples but the 'Innocence of Islam' video is just one e.g. What is interesting is that Putin speaks with a 'forked tongue' so to speak. On one hand, he'll speak up to ordinary Russians and say what many want to hear. He'll lecture the West and state his grievances with their policies while he actually does the same or similar. It's very clever since many Russians are preoccupied with daily routine (problems inherent etc.) so to really care about perceived infringements or violations against (their) freedoms takes a backseat or is barely acknowledged, if at all.

Most countries are pursuing a sort of police state. One only has to open their eyes and be open-minded.

You may well be right. I have not visited Russia in modern times. Although I've read the stories about "Putin's censorship", I've taken it with a pinch of salt and "look who's talking".
The other thing is, if there is one country where people can recognise propaganda and censorship when they see it, and quickly find a way around it, it's probably Russia. I doubt it stops people from discussing and venting what they like. And it's not like foreign media isn't doing it's best to circumvent, i.e. Radio Free Europe, VOA and similar venues (whatever they call themselves these days).

Besides, the values of Russia are actually more appealing to me, personally than the values of for example Britain. So if I was going to find myself in a censorship situation I'd have a tiny bit more sympathy for the Russian angle of things, even if I hate propaganda and censorship on principle, regardless of the message.
The one thing that I'd really miss in Russian media, I think, would be serious scrutiny of the rich, and of corruption. Read a horrendous story today about Russian noveau riches. Disgusting and they deserve to be exposed in media.

35 per cent of the household wealth in Russia belongs to just 110 billionaires | Mail Online
The figure they complain about is incidentally similar in the USA - but it's disgusting regardless. In Russia's case specifically, because it was built on essential theft of the property of the "people's" state and happened over a timespan of only 20 years.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Speaking of propaganda; The EU banned the "Press TV" alternative news channel and 19 other entertainment channels out of Iran.

So much for freedom of press!

You can look at whatever junk you want, as long as it doesn't have a controversial message.
I.e. there are about 10 big European news channels that pretty much say the same thing about everything, with a local twist. Then there are a few American ones that go along with the same message, just a bit more aggressive and dumbed down. Then there is Russia Today and Press TV that actually have a different message. And now one of them is shut down. Let's see how long until Russia Today is blocked! It's not available in any cable packages that I've come across, but at least those with Satellite can tune in to it.

Some think this was done in preparation for an attack on Iran, alternatively because PressTV reports the other side of the story in the Syria conflict.

Anyone who wants to sign the petition to the EU against banning PressTV, sign here! http://www.change.org/petitions/pres...s-tv-in-europe

Are you freaking kidding us here? Why would anybody want to watch Iranian (!!!!!!!) TV? To know what terrorists think of the world events? Do you even realize how creepy it sounds? But ok, if that's what you really feel like doing, why can't you find it streaming on the Internet and watch it there? What century does a person have to be stuck in to rely on cable/satellite TV while everything's been on the web for years?!!

Originally Posted by Eric C.

Are you freaking kidding us here? Why would anybody want to watch Iranian (!!!!!!!) TV? To know what terrorists think of the world events? Do you even realize how creepy it sounds? But ok, if that's what you really feel like doing, why can't you find it streaming on the Internet and watch it there? What century does a person have to be stuck in to rely on cable/satellite TV while everything's been on the web for years?!!

That's not the point.

It's about censorship and I think everyone can decide for themselves how to perceive the news or what is reported to them. Even if it's 'propaganda' or the most biased of sources, so what?

So these countries who pride themselves on liberties (i.e. freedom of expression), are saying nothing. What do you know about Eutelsat? Probably nothing.

Originally Posted by 14Russian

That's not the point.

It's about censorship and I think everyone can decide for themselves how to perceive the news or what is reported to them. Even if it's 'propaganda' or the most biased of sources, so what?

So these countries who pride themselves on liberties (i.e. freedom of expression), are saying nothing. What do you know about Eutelsat? Probably nothing.

I probably agree with you on that. Even if those terrorist skunks can in no way teach people liberties, it doesn't give anyone a right to cut them off, coz it does violate freedom of expression. So, what I was saying is that for me personally, it wouldn't be a big deal coz I can barely imagine myself watching that stuff, and besides, I could figure a way to watch what I wanna watch, even if it got removed from satellite broadcasting.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I probably agree with you on that. Even if those terrorist skunks can in no way teach people liberties, it doesn't give anyone a right to cut them off, coz it does violate freedom of expression. So, what I was saying is that for me personally, it wouldn't be a big deal coz I can barely imagine myself watching that stuff, and besides, I could figure a way to watch what I wanna watch, even if it got removed from satellite broadcasting.

That's probably one of the problems. Too many people think it's not a big deal.