I read an article about this person and I got curious if you here have an opionion about him?
It's a blogger who hates Putin and Edinaya Rossia because they are (he says) corrupt.
He wants to start an Arab spring in Russia, and plans to become politically active in real life.
Has he got a chance? What do you think about him and his quest? Do you know people who support him?
What's the name of his blog?
He's a clown
And he's in jail (so much for being a president)
I personally don't like politicians/people playing politicians who just criticize government with no real opposition program - he's the one
+500Originally Posted by Doomer
This is called the catch 22: if you want to fight the injustice the government does, you have to criticize the government, and then propose an alternative, but the alternative had been largely discredited 10 years ago, so today there seems to be no alternative, so stop criticizing the government and accept the injustice it does.
Navalniy had done some practical work of fighting the real cases of corruption, but of course that could not change the big picture. So, Navalniy deserves respect for his anti-corruption efforts, but once he got into the game of try and change the big picture, he got caught up in the politics which is way above his abilities. And he seems to have made everybody angry. I think that is because Navalniy is a fair person, but there's no fair in politics and he lost quickly to the more seasoned politicians. Today his reputation is ruined and it would be very difficult to restore it back to what it was, since each and every step he would take would now be perceived with a bias.
Could you shed some light on his "practical work of fighting the real cases of corruption", please?
Sure, not a problem:
"В ноябре 2009 года Навальный опубликовал в своём блоге запись о закупках в 2007 году банком ВТБ в Китае буровых установок через посредническую компанию за цену, в полтора раза превышающую рыночную[48][49]. Сумма хищений, по его оценкам, составила 156 миллионов долларов. Навальный также опубликовал копии документов, связанных с этой сделкой[50]. УБЭП ГУВД Москвы, проводившее расследование по факту данной сделки, сообщило, что нарушений не обнаружено[51]. По утверждению члена Консультационного совета акционеров ВТБ Олега Анисимова, сославшегося на слова Андрея Костина, отчасти вследствие этих сделок руководитель «ВТБ-Лизинга» был уволен[52][53][54].
16 ноября 2010 года Алексей Навальный опубликовал документы, по его словам, содержащие сведения о крупных хищениях в ходе реализации проекта трубопроводной системы «Восточная Сибирь — Тихий океан» (ВСТО), реализуемого естественной монополией «Транснефть»[55][56]. Навальный заявил, что общая сумма хищений по всем документам, которые у него имеются, составляет более 120 млрд руб[57]. По словам Навального, эти документы являются результатом внутренней проверки строительства ВСТО экспертами «Транснефти»[57]. Вслед за заявлением Навального последовал ряд публикаций в СМИ.
По состоянию на 2 мая 2011 года, проект «РосПил» заявляет об общей сумме обнаруженных махинаций в 1,6 млрд рублей, сумме остановленных махинаций (оцениваемая как общая сумма отменённых конкурсов) в 337 млн рублей[источник?]. За полгода существования проекта (на середину июня 2011) рассмотрена 41 госзакупка.
30 мая 2011 года Навальный запустил интернет-проект «РосЯма», направленный, по его словам, на побуждение российских властей к улучшению состояния дорог. На страницах проекта пользователям предлагается размещать фотографии повреждённых участков дорог с указанием места снимка. После этого система автоматически генерирует текст жалобы, которую предлагается подать в ГИБДД. Через 37 дней (установленный действующим законодательством срок рассмотрения жалобы) система также автоматически генерирует письмо в прокуратуру, которое предлагается отправить в случае отсутствия реакции на жалобу[74]."
ну давайте разбираться
1. существует некий договор (причем его подлинность неизвестна, но допустим что он реальный)
2. по этому договору компания ОАО «ВТБ-Лизинг» покупает у компании ООО «Велл Дриллинг Корпорейшн» буровые установки, каждая 15 233 000 долларов США
3. не существует никаких доказательств что компания ООО «Велл Дриллинг Корпорейшн» покупала буровые установки у китайской компании "Honghua Group Limited", все это лишь домыслы господина Навального
4. также не ясно позволяют ли административные и политические возможности компании ОАО «ВТБ-Лизинг» покупать установки напрямую у компании "Honghua Group Limited"
5. также нет никаких доказательств за какую сумму ООО «Велл Дриллинг Корпорейшн» покупало буровые установки, а только домыслы господина Навланого
6. опять же не уточняется почему компания ООО «Велл Дриллинг Корпорейшн» не должна зарабатывать на перепродаже буровых установок
7. учитывая что ООО «Велл Дриллинг Корпорейшн» и "Honghua Group Limited" это зарубежные компании и проверить их работу у российских властей нет никакой возможности, о чем г. Навальный прекрасно осведомлен, он может смело писать любую фигню и потом ссылаться на бездействие властей
у меня нет времени искать документы по остальным вещам, но например проект РосЯма это чистой воды популизм
Why do all of you imply that his reputation is ruined? What did he do?
(38,000 people joined a Facegroup group about attending one of Navalnyi's meetings on the "Sacharov prospekt".). This sounds like an impressive figure to the Swedish journalist who wrote it, I guess.... But from a Russian perspective I guess it's not really that much. Maybe the journalist misunderstood how normal people percieve Navalniy.I går kväll hade över 38.000 anmält på Facebook att de deltar i mötet som hålls på Sacharovprospektet nära Trädgårdsringen.
Oh well.
it depends on what kind of reputation you are talking about
For me he was always making chaos and still making it
He deserves a bullet for that alone:
Send me a PM if you need me.
So when non-Russian media present him as a kind of Russian internet freedom hero, it's a bit exaggerated...?
He sounded great from the article I read; I mean, against corruption.
I notice that most people here are quite unhappy with the way that Russia is governed (and with Edinaya Rossiya).... and with corruption. So I am trying to form an opinion about what would be a good alternative... This sounded like a possibility.
If Navalnij is no good, then I guess it is back to the KPRF. Basil77 explained that they are, at least, a serious and well-organised alternative, even if the historical legacy and the name is offputting to lots of people.
And anyway, who am I to worry about this? Europe is getting less democratic and more messed up every year. Perhaps I should worry about this instead of Russia, lol!
There is no good alternative. That is the characteristic difference between democracy and authoritarianism: the former always has an acceptable alternative, the latter has no alternative even when the system is 100% corrupt - any change will make even worse. That is the way system works. It is called zugzwang in chess.
"Россия для русских" - это неправильно. Остальные-то чем лучше?
Putin will not step down peacefully while he is alive.He wants to start an Arab spring in Russia
In short-term maybe.There is no good alternative.
But in long-term democracy is the only way.
But first - Russians should learn that to take a dump you need to go to a toilet - that elections should be fair.
I'm trying to understand how these two things might be connected
Could you enlighten me?
Do you mean because he has a blog that critisizes the government? Do you think it should be banned?
Huh?? You don't like Edinaya Rossia though, or did I misunderstand you? What's the problem with having a blog that critisizes them?
My opinion is that politicians must be under public scrutiny. I don't know whether democracy is the right thing for Russia or not, but surely corruption is a bad thing from any perspective. I think it's good that he exposes corruption!
No problems with that. But he went further. In order to gain some cheap popularity he saddled himself with ultra-nationalists and attended the so called 'Russian march', but that's up to him. Now he calls people to the streets to repeat what happenned in Egypt or Lybia - practically, he incites an open rebellion agains the government. A man who pushes his own country into the civil war deserves only a piece of rope and a handy tree branch.
Send me a PM if you need me.
No, banning anybody's blog is not a good way of taking care of things. Everybody should be able to say what they want (just make sure not to break a law when you speak things) and he is breaking some laws. For example: extremism, violation of coat of arms. And I don't see why he shouldn't be punished for that, after all he's calling for "justice" then let's justice do the job
Making caricature of Coat of arms is completely anti-patriotic and has nothing to do with current government and I don't see how it would help Russian people to build a strong country
Corruption exposure is good but he's not cooperating with government but goes against it, thus I don't think his target is corruption
And yes, I know that government is corrupted but not every one of them, after all they just people like you and me
His actions are too provocative and it is an open question what they bring more: good or bad, for people in Russia
Ramil said about "arab spring".You don't like Edinaya Rossia though, or did I misunderstand you? What's the problem with having a blog that critisizes them?
Arab spring eith chaos, violent radicals and bombardments is a disaster whether you like Edinaya Rossiya or not.
Tomorrow there will be a meeting against any attempts to make some revoluthions here. I'm thinking of going to this meeting, but I'm too lazy to go there. The problem here is that active people are not the majority.
Do you see any other way to force Putin & co. to resign?A man who pushes his own country into the civil war deserves only a piece of rope and a handy tree branch.
He certainly does not want that, because he knows that the new leaders will try to prosecute him.
Just like they are now prosecuting Mubarak...
Resign and be replaced by whom? What will follow this resignation?
Those leaders of opposition... they are not qualified to run this country. In fact, between them and Putin I would chose Putin even though I despise him. Who's able enough to replace him? Not Navalny, certainly. When you remove a leader you must have a replacement candidate or you'll end up with chaos and turmoil. I don't see such a leader yet.
Send me a PM if you need me.
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