Yes, it's not like Ukrainians were second class citizens in the USSR.

It's a big country, on the sea, with a well educated population. There HAS to be a way for the Ukraine to become prosperous and stable.

Dmitry's perspective makes sense, and were interesting to read.

Well the dice is cast about the USSR - that train has left!
I guess it could have been transformed into something else - a union, minus the ideology, if people were fed up with that, and it wasn't working.

But there is no going back, so they have to decide on a future with the EU, or the CIS.
Can't keep going back and forth - really, it seems more important just to make a decision and stick with it!

In the UK right now, a lot of Scots would like to leave the Union, and they are having a referendum about it in August next year. A lot of what the pro-independence Scots are saying makes a lot of sense, actually, even if the thought of dissolving the union is very sad.

The Scots are fed up with wars, they want a more developed welfare state and policies that are more closely geared towards the needs of Scots in general. There is going to be a referendum about it in August next year. I don't think it will happen, the countries are too closely integrated, for too long. But the question is a hot potato and I guess everybody's realised that it's got to be settled once and for all.

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The saddest thing how this whole issue is clearly only about concern of political and buisness elites. People's opinion is asked only when it suits elite's interests. Like it was in 1991 when 70% of Ukrainians voted to stay in USSR but half a year later after massive propagandf 70% voted for separation.



Wow - interesting; I vaguely remember when all this happened, but I wasn't paying a lot of attention to any of this at the time. I was in school then.

Wikipedia says:
A 17 March 1991 referendum showed 76.4% of Soviet citizens voting to retain the Union. However, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia, Georgia, and Armenia did not participate.[7]
Look at the figures in Central Asia; they must have been kicked out screaming, from the USSR, if these figures are correct. That is certainly not the message that was conveyed in the news that I watched at the time.

All of this is just tragic - I am sure there is a "brain drain" of smart and driven people out of Ukraine and to other countries.
The only business dealings I have ever had with Ukraine, was briefly with an outsourcing company of software development. They were great, but outsourcing is cr&p and I think Ukraine can do better than that. But how! It's a lovely country of nice and smart people - they don't deserve this, and I don't understand how Ukraine can be in such a mess.