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And what they have next is a presidential election in 1 week or so, after which I hope all the armed freaks wearing masks can be legally erased from existence, and all the Ukrainian civilians can finally breathe a sigh of relief.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

And what they have next is a presidential election in 1 week or so, after which I hope all the armed freaks wearing masks can be legally erased from existence, and all the Ukrainian civilians can finally breathe a sigh of relief.

The second tour is expected.
A lot of time for Putin to probe other regions whether he can destabilise them

without meeting any meaningful resistance.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

And what they have next is a presidential election in 1 week or so, after which I hope all the armed freaks wearing masks can be legally erased from existence, and all the Ukrainian civilians can finally breathe a sigh of relief.

What it is your recipe how “the armed freaks wearing masks can be legally erased from existence”? Even pro- Ukrainian media outlets don't consider such turn of events feasible.

Референдум не дал ответа на вопрос, что будет с Донецкой и Луганской областями дальше. Тем временем сепаратистские настроения в регионе усиливаются, и эксперты называют три варианта развития ситуации.

Во-первых, остается шанс на то, что конфликт удастся урегулировать мирным путем.

“Я бы не исключал возможности, что Донбасс останется в составе Украины, но с особым статусом. Например, статусом автономии”, — предполагает глава Центра прикладных политических исследований Пента Владимир Фесенко.
Достичь этого можно только в результате переговоров между центральной властью и местными элитами — тем же миллиардером Ринатом Ахметовым.

Второй вариант — создание квазигосударства.

“Постепенно Донецкий и Луганский регионы превратятся в анклавы по типу Сектора Газа. Это будут захваченные вооруженными людьми территории, где не будет никакой власти — ни центральной, ни местной. И так может продолжаться в течение нескольких лет”, — предупреждает руководитель социологической службы Украинский барометр Виктор Небоженко.

И, наконец, самый худший вариант — продолжение военных действий, превращение Донбасса в территорию долгоиграющей гражданской войны со взаимными жертвами.

“Или еще хуже — превращение Донбасса в Чечню 1990-х годов, когда бизнес и экономика были полностью уничтожены и зарабатывать могли только те, у кого есть оружие, — грабежами, захватом заложников”, — рисует мрачные перспективы Фесенко.

Пока, по мнению политологов, возможны и первый и второй варианты. Как минимум ближайшие несколько месяцев ситуация будет колебаться между непризнанной республикой и автономией. А вот что вряд ли произойдет, так это присоединение Восточной Украины к России, считает Фесенко.

Корреспондент: Образец законности. Как прошел референдум на Донбассе - Korrespondent.net

Originally Posted by diogen_

What it is your recipe how “the armed freaks wearing masks can be legally erased from existence”? Even pro- Ukrainian media outlets don't consider such turn of events feasible.



Корреспондент: Образец законности. Как прошел референдум на Донбассе - Korrespondent.net

I doubt the civilian people there support any of the sides of the conflict. What it really is is some masked a**holes who want to play a war vs. regular Ukrainian army. It's not a surprise that the latter should demonstrate a bigger ability to smash the enemy than the former one, which is eventually going to happen. It's not very smart to compare the area to Chechnya, as the masked clowns just lack so many attributes the Chechen fighters had.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

I doubt the civilian people there support any of the sides of the conflict. What it really is is some masked a**holes who want to play a war vs. regular Ukrainian army. It's not a surprise that the latter should demonstrate a bigger ability to smash the enemy than the former one, which is eventually going to happen. It's not very smart to compare the area to Chechnya, as the masked clowns just lack so many attributes the Chechen fighters had.

So on what basis are you saying this?

Are you in Ukraine? Have you got some kind of inside information?

And Chechen fighters are people you admire, judging on the tone of your comment? (Deleted. L.)

As opposed to the forces in Eastern Ukraine that you consider "clowns".

I think you filled today's quota of trolling.

Originally Posted by Hanna

So on what basis are you saying this?

Are you in Ukraine? Have you got some kind of inside information?

And Chechen fighters are people you admire, judging on the tone of your comment? (Deleted. L.)

As opposed to the forces in Eastern Ukraine that you consider "clowns".

I think you filled today's quota of trolling.

By "Chechen fighters" I mean those Chechen residents who took part in the fights in that area. No position or personal attitude have been expressed by what I've said, really. But what I meant is that they were really different compared to the "Donetsk republicans", and whether they were good or evil, they had some ideas, beliefs and combat skills that are helpful in such fights, and that those "Donetsk republicans" don't have. And I mentioned them for the only reason of someone else having mentioned them while addressing me.

I cannot help you with the quotas, maybe the mods can?...

Originally Posted by Eric C.

By "Chechen fighters" I mean those Chechen residents who took part in the fights in that area. No position or personal attitude have been expressed by what I've said, really. But what I meant is that they were really different compared to the "Donetsk republicans", and whether they were good or evil, they had some ideas, beliefs and combat skills that are helpful in such fights, and that those "Donetsk republicans" don't have. And I mentioned them for the only reason of someone else having mentioned them while addressing me.

I cannot help you with the quotas, maybe the mods can?...

Have you got ANY proof or supporting facts whatsoever, or did you cook up the most insulting and sinister conspiracy theory on this site so far?

Source to even remotely back any of this, please!

To come to a Russia site, and make comments in favour of Caucasian terrorists is like turning up at an American site and starting to express sympathy for the 9-11 bombers. Rude, insensitive and deliberately provocative.

To compare the situation in Ukraine, with muslim terrorism backed from Saudi Arabia is either ignorant, or a very desperate gripping of straws.

If those are your views, then this is not really the place to air them.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Have you got ANY proof or supporting facts whatsoever, or did you cook up the most insulting and sinister conspiracy theory on this site so far?

Source to even remotely back any of this, please!

To come to a Russia site, and make comments in favour of Caucasian terrorists is like turning up at an American site and starting to express sympathy for the 9-11 bombers. Rude, insensitive and deliberately provocative.

To compare the situation in Ukraine, with muslim terrorism backed from Saudi Arabia is either ignorant, or a very desperate gripping of straws.

If those are your views, then this is not really the place to air them.

Has your reading ability been affected in some bad way, or whatever else has happened to you? I've already clearly stated I have no sympathy for those Chechen rebels, and I also had said what you just repeated, that comparing the situation in Ukraine to the one in Chechnya is not very smart. So, you now blame me for making that comparison, even though I said it should not be made in the first place? That's just incredible.

Originally Posted by Hanna

Have you got ANY proof or supporting facts whatsoever, or did you cook up the most insulting and sinister conspiracy theory on this site so far?

Source to even remotely back any of this, please!

To come to a Russia site, and make comments in favour of Caucasian terrorists is like turning up at an American site and starting to express sympathy for the 9-11 bombers. Rude, insensitive and deliberately provocative.

To compare the situation in Ukraine, with muslim terrorism backed from Saudi Arabia is either ignorant, or a very desperate gripping of straws.

If those are your views, then this is not really the place to air them.

I thought this site was about Russian language, not a pro-Russia site. Of course, if we're here then obviously we have some interest in all things dealing with Russia, but there are plenty of Russian speakers in the world who my not agree with policies of the Russian Federation. FYI I'm not commenting on the previously mentioned conflict.

Hanna, I really don't understand what you're trying to do here. On one hand you've asked , "are you there (in Ukraine)?" "Do you have inside information from there?" And also that why should you read the Ukraine media, when it's exactly the same as western media that's all around you. I may be wrong on this, but from appearances it just seems you enjoy the opportunity to criticize "the west" and especially USA, and I don't see that you're actually interested in what's happening with respect to this conflict. Somehow this translates as anti-west = pro Russia?

Forgive me if I've misread your posts.

Originally Posted by Eric C.

By "Chechen fighters" I mean those Chechen residents who took part in the fights in that area. No position or personal attitude have been expressed by what I've said, really. But what I meant is that they were really different compared to the "Donetsk republicans", and whether they were good or evil, they had some ideas, beliefs and combat skills that are helpful in such fights, and that those "Donetsk republicans" don't have. And I mentioned them for the only reason of someone else having mentioned them while addressing me.

I cannot help you with the quotas, maybe the mods can?...

Do you consider seventy virgins as an "idea and belief" and independence as something else?

Originally Posted by Alex_krsk

Do you consider seventy virgins as an "idea and belief" and independence as something else?

I'm not sure what to say on the "seventy virgins" thing you brought up, but as for the independence, they had it as their foremost idea back in the 1990s too, didn't they? I feel like I cannot say anything further on this, or I'll probably be accused of having links to several terrorist groups or something... But you've got the idea.

By the way, I can say I can perfectly understand Russia about their fight to keep integrity of their country in the 1990s. That was probably what a country should do in situations like that. So, I'm now wondering how they have been able to forget all THEY were doing, and take the position they took.